L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16)

[Amon-Sul]

@Pejon_88

A very very interesting game we have here I must say.

[Pejon_88]

@amon-sul I think the Axis have been very successful so far. Great playing!

[Amon-Sul]

@pejon_88 said in L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16):

@amon-sul I think the Axis have been very successful so far. Great playing!

It is far from over. The game is very open. We ll see what comes next.

[Pejon_88]

@amon-sul I think that rule that you can load transports the turn after you have been declared war makes sense, but it is also really hard to remember… Have had the same problem versus Japan once.

[Pejon_88]

@amon-sul Yup :)

[Pejon_88]

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - Russians
        Trigger Russians Friendly TrueNeutral: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
        Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Italians
            Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Italians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War

    Combat Move - Russians
        2 infantry moved from Belarus to Novgorod
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Caucasus
        2 infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
        1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Novgorod
        8 infantry moved from Manchuria to Korea

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Novgorod
            Russians attack with 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Novgorod, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Novgorod, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Novgorod
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Novgorod, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Novgorod, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Novgorod
            Russians win, taking Novgorod from Germans with 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
        Battle in Caucasus
            Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Caucasus
            Russians win, taking Caucasus from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Eastern Poland
            Russians attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 aaGun and 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 aaGun owned by the Germans lost in Eastern Poland
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Eastern Poland
            Russians win, taking Eastern Poland from Germans with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Germans: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
        Battle in Korea
            Russians attack with 8 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 8 infantry in Korea, round 2 : 1/8 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Korea, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Korea
            Russians win, taking Korea from Japanese with 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        2 aaGuns moved from Manchuria to Korea
        1 infantry moved from Buyant-Uhaa to Manchuria
        2 infantry moved from Ulaanbaatar to Buryatia
        2 infantry moved from Buyant-Uhaa to Central Mongolia
              Russians take Central Mongolia from Mongolians
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Shensi to Hopei
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Hopei
        4 infantry moved from Timguska to Novosibirsk
        3 infantry moved from Olgiy to Kansu
        1 infantry moved from Dzavhan to Tsagaan Olom
              Russians take Tsagaan Olom from Mongolians
        1 infantry moved from Dzavhan to Tsagaan Olom
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Bryansk
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Bryansk
        2 infantry moved from Samara to Volgograd
        5 infantry moved from Tambov to Rostov
        1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Rostov
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Bryansk
        1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Bryansk
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 16 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk

    Place Units - Russians
        1 infantry placed in Ukraine
        3 infantry placed in Volgograd
        1 fighter, 2 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,6,1,2,6
        Russians collect 35 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 35 PUs
        Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 38 PUs
        Trigger Russians 3 Siberia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 40 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 0,67
Germans regular : 0,33
Russians regular : 1,67

Savegame

[Amon-Sul]

@pejon_88 said in L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16):

@amon-sul I think that rule that you can load transports the turn after you have been declared war makes sense, but it is also really hard to remember… Have had the same problem versus Japan once.

I think it has to be in the same turn. And I think it only works for Germany / Russia, not in the Pacific?

Or am I mistaken?

[Pejon_88]

@amon-sul What happened to me is that I declared war with UK and put a des in the same SZ as Japanese trans. Next turn he could pick up land units with that trans.

[Amon-Sul]

@pejon_88 said in L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16):

@amon-sul What happened to me is that I declared war with UK and put a des in the same SZ as Japanese trans. Next turn he could pick up land units with that trans.

yeah, he could, but not in the same sz, right?

[Pejon_88]

@amon-sul Same SZ :D

From the Declaring War section:

…During your Combat Move phase in which you entered into a state of war, your transports that are already in sea zones that have just become hostile may be loaded in those sea zones (but not in other hostile sea zones). In effect, transports may be loaded in their initial sea zones for amphibious assaults before war is declared, while the sea zone is still friendly.

[Pejon_88]

@pejon_88 I guess it only would work as in our case, that Germany declares war.

[ksmckay]

@pejon_88 @Amon-Sul

the trick in the pacific is to put a UK dd in same sea zone as japanese transports, and then DOW with Anzac. You need two powers to make it work as if you tried to do it with UK alone, you would be at war with Japan when you tried to move a dd to the japanese sz. Rarely works out though since the cost for anzac declaring war on Japan is so high. But sometimes it works out if Japanese player forgets to preload transports on J2.

Dont really think there is a similar trick in europe. Italy and Germany declare war on Russia independently and a state of war between one doesnt affect the other.

[Pejon_88]

@ksmckay What happened here is that Germans declared war on Soviets in G4 and could load the transport even though it was now in a hostile SZ. I works according to the above rule I believe.

[Pejon_88]

@ksmckay What happened to me was that Japan declared war and could load the transports during that turn in that same SZ, same as in the game with Germans.

[ksmckay]

@pejon_88

Yep, those are both right, I thought you were talking about how to get around that rule. And the anzac trick is the only way to get around that.

Wasnt always the case with global and before the rule was changed it was really gamey.

[Pejon_88]

@ksmckay Oh cool!

[Amon-Sul]

@ksmckay said in L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16):

@pejon_88

Yep, those are both right, I thought you were talking about how to get around that rule. And the anzac trick is the only way to get around that.

Wasnt always the case with global and before the rule was changed it was really gamey.

bu

[Amon-Sul]

@ksmckay said in L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16):

@pejon_88

Yep, those are both right, I thought you were talking about how to get around that rule. And the anzac trick is the only way to get around that.

Wasnt always the case with global and before the rule was changed it was really gamey.

but what if theoretically uk is in the similar position. lets say, uk has a tranny in a sz where japan has a navy. can uk while declaring war, use its tranny to load troops in that same sz (or in some other)

and if it can, can it use it only for cm, or even for ncm?

[Amon-Sul]

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 6 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        Trigger Japanese Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Siberia to Sakha
              Japanese take Sakha from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Siberia to Soviet Far East
              Japanese take Soviet Far East from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Guam
        1 transport moved from 5 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Jehol to Buyant-Uhaa
              Japanese take Buyant-Uhaa from Russians
        1 artillery moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
        1 bomber moved from Siam to Sumatra
        1 infantry moved from Siam to French Indo China
              Japanese take French Indo China from French
        1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma
              Japanese take Burma from UK_Pacific
        1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Sikang
              Japanese take Sikang from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Shensi
              Japanese take Shensi from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 44 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Borneo to 43 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
        1 battleship moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Caroline Islands to Philippines
        1 fighter moved from Siam to Sumatra
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to Sumatra
        1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to Philippines
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Jehol to Manchuria
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Amur
        1 armour moved from Buyant-Uhaa to Manchuria
        1 infantry moved from Jehol to Manchuria
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Jehol to Manchuria
        1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Manchuria

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Amur
        Battle in Guam
        Battle in Manchuria
            Japanese attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Manchuria, round 2 : 3/10 hits, 4.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Manchuria, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Manchuria
            Japanese win, taking Amur from Russians, taking Guam from Americans, taking Manchuria from Chinese with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Philippines
            Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Philippines, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Philippines, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Philippines, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Philippines
            Japanese win, taking Philippines from Americans with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
        Battle in Sumatra
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            ANZAC defend with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Sumatra, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese, 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC and 1 fighter owned by the ANZAC lost in Sumatra
            Japanese win, taking Sumatra from ANZAC with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 fighter and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 carrier moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 41 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Sumatra to Siam
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Manchuria to Japan
        1 fighter moved from Manchuria to 6 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Paulau Island to 6 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Jehol to Manchuria
        1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Jehol
        1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Kwangtung to Hunan
        1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Shantung
        1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Shantung
        1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
        1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Philippines to Kwangsi
        1 fighter moved from 54 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 4 destroyers and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to 42 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Kiangsu
        4 infantry placed in Japan
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 5 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 6 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Yunnan: 2 artilleries
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Hunan: 2 artilleries
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 42 Sea Zone: 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Yunnan: 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Yunnan: 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Yunnan: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 42 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Yunnan: 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 61 PUs; end with 61 PUs
        Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 64 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 69 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -0.33
Americans regular : 0.33
Japanese regular : -2.50
ANZAC regular : 0.00

Savegame

[Amon-Sul]

sorry for all the edits

cheers