Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB

[wizmark]

@trulpen One point with india…as this is OOB every time he retakes it you are giving him double money…he gets the territory value for calcutta twice, and the W India income without even having it. If you retake hong kong then it will make no difference to japan.

Im sure you know this but worth pointing out I feel.

[wizmark]

@wizmark although I guess he convoyed indias money away

[farmboy]

@wizmark it is a boost for Japan but because of the convoy, it is likely down to only 3. And if he holds India securely, he gets to build there. A problem for Japan is getting enough land units on the continent, so I think the trade there is still worth it. Plus, if he can hold India safely, he probably gets to take W India on a subsequent turn and gets 2 ipcs anyway.

I think it still ends up being worth the trade.

[farmboy]

I’m leaning towards the move to 80 if it can be done safely. The timing of threatening the Italy fleet is better on the turn after when you can potentially bring the navy from Norway down at the same time. Your odds on the Italy fleet are also pretty good now, so htat is another option. But then you probably lose that British fleet too and certainly lose the opportunity to swing it back into the Indian ocean.

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 5

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 3 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        3 submarines moved from 6 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone
              Americans take 17 Sea Zone from Japanese
        1 bomber moved from Scotland to Novgorod
        2 infantry moved from Norway to 112 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux

    Combat - Americans
        Strategic bombing raid in Novgorod
                AA fire in Novgorod : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
            Bombing raid in Novgorod rolls: 3 and causes: 3 damage to unit: factory_minor
            Bombing raid in Novgorod causes 3 damage total. 
        Battle in Normandy Bordeaux

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 bomber moved from Novgorod to Vologda
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Norway to 112 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 3 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
        2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to 110 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Eastern United States to Scotland
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
        1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 108 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Marianas to 22 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 22 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        2 carriers moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
        1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 carrier and 3 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        2 carriers and 1 destroyer moved from 22 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Guam to Caroline Islands
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 22 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Midway to Caroline Islands
        2 fighters moved from Midway to 33 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 22 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        1 factory_minor placed in Norway
        1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in Central United States
        1 fighter placed in Western United States
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 3 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

AA fire in Novgorod : : -0,17

Savegame

[trulpen]

Now, how does this look?

I chose to keep the mech and tank in Norway, partly for protection of UK-air landing there and partly for coming aggressions. Can be changed to Normandie though.

I prefer to keep the sb’s towards G. The SBR’s will be a real nuiscance, plus having stronger threats of attacks.

Why did I put the russian sub in z105!? Why didn’t anyone stop me!? It’s completely useless there. Would be much better in z110.

[farmboy]

@trulpen this looks good to me. and the SBs have a lot of value in Europe too. I just sometimes regret not having one in the Pacific. I’m guessing you are moving some ANZAC air to US carriers in Car?

The tank and mech could stay in Norway too as long as Normandy can be kept safe.

I did a quick calc of Moscow if he goes for it the turn after next. Without adding any additional air to what you currently have, his odds are 65%. Presumably, 2-3 additional air remaining in reach after this turn, should reduce that to well below 50%. So that should be pretty safe.

[trulpen]

@farmboy said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

I did a quick calc of Moscow if he goes for it the turn after next.

Thanks!

@farmboy said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

I’m guessing you are moving some ANZAC air to US carriers in Car?

Correct. 2 aussie figs on one US carrier. Makes the protection of tr’s trickier.

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 3 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        3 submarines moved from 6 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone
              Americans take 17 Sea Zone from Japanese
        1 bomber moved from Scotland to Novgorod
        2 infantry moved from Norway to 112 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux

    Combat - Americans
        Strategic bombing raid in Novgorod
                AA fire in Novgorod : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
            Bombing raid in Novgorod rolls: 3 and causes: 3 damage to unit: factory_minor
            Bombing raid in Novgorod causes 3 damage total. 
        Battle in Normandy Bordeaux

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 bomber moved from Novgorod to Vologda
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Norway to 112 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 3 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
        2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to 110 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Eastern United States to Scotland
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
        1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 108 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Marianas to 22 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 22 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        2 carriers moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
        1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 carrier and 3 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        2 carriers and 1 destroyer moved from 22 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Guam to Caroline Islands
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 22 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Midway to Caroline Islands
        2 fighters moved from Midway to 33 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 22 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        1 factory_minor placed in Norway
        1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in Central United States
        1 fighter placed in Western United States
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 3 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 57 PUs; end with 58 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 68 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 78 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

AA fire in Novgorod : : -0,17

Savegame

[trulpen]

It’s sad, but don’t think the chinese have a good future in Hunan. Maybe just go back to Kweichow then? The alternative is to stay in Hunan, but land US-air in the stack.

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Chinese round 5

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kiangsi
              Chinese take Kiangsi from Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
              Chinese take Kwangsi from Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Shensi to Hopei
        1 fighter moved from Hunan to Hopei

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[trulpen]

I’m thinking Kweichow is a more central square and that the chinese may take the northern route, getting away from some of the japanese air-threats.

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Turn Summary: Chinese round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kiangsi
              Chinese take Kiangsi from Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
              Chinese take Kwangsi from Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Shensi to Hopei
        1 fighter moved from Hunan to Hopei

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Hopei
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Hopei, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Hopei, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Hopei, round 4 : 2/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Hopei
            Chinese win, taking Hopei from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        4 artilleries and 17 infantry moved from Hunan to Kweichow
        1 fighter moved from Hopei to Kweichow

    Place Units - Chinese
        3 infantry placed in Kweichow

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 11 PUs; end with 13 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese : 0,00
Japanese : -1,00

Savegame

[trulpen]

Looking at UK now. Unfortunately z80 doesn’t look feasible. J will have slightly better odds if we build a sub there, and about even with a des. UK has low income, so investing in fleet now is rather expensive.

Another option is to secure taking Cyprus while protecting the tr, i e moving the fleet to z99. Italy does have 40 % then and a german follow-up with air. Since the italian fleet is going down anyway sometime, maybe it’s good to actually kill off some british fleet when the have the chance.

Probably it’s best to keep the fleet in z98 and sacrifice the tr, but atleast get 2 figs into the attack.

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 5

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 artillery, 6 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Persia to Caucasus
        2 infantry moved from West India to India
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Persia to India
        1 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Cyprus
        2 fighters moved from 98 Sea Zone to Cyprus
        2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
        1 fighter moved from Norway to Finland
        1 bomber moved from Russia to Ukraine
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Finland

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 5

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 artillery, 6 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Persia to Caucasus
        2 infantry moved from West India to India
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Persia to India
        2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
        1 fighter moved from Norway to Finland
        1 bomber moved from Russia to Ukraine
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Finland
        1 armour moved from Algeria to Tunisia
              British take Tunisia from Italians
        1 armour moved from Tunisia to Algeria
        1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to Cyprus
        1 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Cyprus
        1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to Cyprus

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[trulpen]

Remembered to blitz Tunisia.

Considered taking out the des in z92, but concluded that it will take too much effort and risk to be worth it. Rather be able to land atleast 2 air in Normandie and probably 2 air in Norway.

[trulpen]

Although the fleet in z110 is extremely secure, so we’re able to spare a lot of air.

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 5

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 artillery, 6 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Persia to Caucasus
        2 infantry moved from West India to India
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Persia to India
        2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
        1 fighter moved from Norway to Finland
        1 bomber moved from Russia to Ukraine
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Finland
        1 armour moved from Algeria to Tunisia
              British take Tunisia from Italians
        1 armour moved from Tunisia to Algeria
        1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to Cyprus
        1 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Cyprus
        1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to Cyprus
        1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Algeria to 92 Sea Zone

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[trulpen]

Adding a 2 fig attack on z92, with the plan of landing 1 fig from Cyprus in Alexandria. Don’t want Italy to be able to open up a territory easily to allow for a german follow-up air-strike.

Also thinking now that to build a sub in z98 might be a good idea.