You can only place ANY units purchased at an IC controlled by the nations who’s turn it is.
Siberian Units
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Game play has shown to me that going with only 2 tanks in ukraine R1 is a good move.
1 less lost tank, more hits in WRU.You will take ukraine less, but you still kill the german ftr.
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Axis_roll, I agree if you want to take Ukraine, it is better to go with only two tanks, and use the other two in West Russia.
However if you want to strafe Ukraine, and there are pros and cons for that, you should use three tanks. -
I was a BIG W. Russia/Ukraine girl for a long time.
I was also a BIG 3 infantry, 3 armor purchase girl for a long time.
Now I am more a Belorussia, W. Russia girl (since you can shield more property that way, and preserve your armor for a rainy day, and it WILL rain!) and a 3 Infantry, Armor, Fighter girl.
Whoa, why a fighter?
What Russian player can afford to send her armor into hostile territory to hold it?
What Russian player can’t use a 3rd fighter?I’m actually toying with the idea of a round 2 of 4 Infantry, Artillery, Fighter (26 IPC) so Russia has 4 Fighters. That’s enough to sink the Med fleet if need be, but it’s also enough to cover your infantry on both fronts until England and America can come.
My only worry is not having enough punch to stop the Germans. Might they get too aggressive in an effort to take Russia before America and England can help? Can America and England get there in time to make up for the 20 IPC in infantry missing in Russia now?
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3 Infantry, Armor, Fighter girl.
I’m 4 inf 3 art dude 8-)
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I am a Battleship guy :-P
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@ncscswitch:
I am a Battleship guy :-P
There’s a scary thought.
Do you offer the German’s Caviar and Vodka when the walk into Moscow?
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I have gravitated toward 5 inf, 1 art, 1 arm for the Russian purchase. And almost always Belo/WR. The problem with the WR/Ukr attack is that the WR attack carries less weight and is likely to result in more Russian losses there and very little armor left after the Ukr counterattack.
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OK, My joking aside…
Leaving Germany with 6 FIGs is a problem for Russia.
Losing ARM in order to reduce that number of FIGs is usually a good decision, as it reduces Germany’s G1 attack options (usually reducing the force load for Egypt and increasing the odds on a UK counter) and removing a FIG from the mix when trading Ukriane/Belo/Karelia, which in the LONG RUN is beneficial to Russia.
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I’ve rarely seen a very big difference between Egypt with Germany having 6 fighters and a bomber, and Egypt with Germany having 5 fighters and a Bomber. Those Brits are ONLY getting 1 round anyway, so their going to inflict the same amount of damage most of the time regardless of the over kill.
Meanwhile, Russia not losing 3 armor is huge. 15 IPC out of 24 IPC is 63% of their starting income. If you can save that, then you’re all the more stronger defensively then otherwise.
It’s my contention that Russia just cannot afford Ukraine in Russia 1. It’s not like those German units are going to be detrimental since you are effectively doing the same damage to Germany, minus the fighter, as you would with a W. Russia/Ukraine attack (well, you also don’t kill an artillery or armor.) while saving lots of infantry and all your armor. Germany saves 19 IPC. Russia saves 25 IPC (3 tanks, 2 infantry, artillery because you sent that equipment elsewhere.)
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@ncscswitch:
OK, My joking aside…
Leaving Germany with 6 FIGs is a problem for Russia.
Losing ARM in order to reduce that number of FIGs is usually a good decision, as it reduces Germany’s G1 attack options (usually reducing the force load for Egypt and increasing the odds on a UK counter) and removing a FIG from the mix when trading Ukriane/Belo/Karelia, which in the LONG RUN is beneficial to Russia.
Switch made a good point favouring the Ukraine attack.
It is not only 1 FIG less, but Germany have to send something in Ukraine, and if German send a FIG there then there are only 4 FIG to attack UK! German may send a Tank, it will be killed on R2.
Moreover why send three tanks in Ukraine? Three tanks are needed if one want to strafe Ukraine, srtipping away inf and retreating.
But to conquer Ukraine 2 tanks and two fig with three inf and 1 art (with Axis bid in Lybia naturally) are sufficient. Ukraine should be conquered with 1 or 2 tank left, and the other 2 tanks attacks West Russia. With a build of 3 tanks and 3 inf I think that this opening is a good start for Russia. -
I’m getting more undecided on this issue all the time now…
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Likewise, it is a loss of 3 Russian armor, not one in Ukraine. You know Germany’s going to make it her mission to destroy those armor because Germany can afford replacement armor, Russia cannot. At least not as readily.
If I have the chance to reduce Russia’s offensive and defensive punch by 9 and lose some infantry to do it, I’ll do it.
Meanwhile, if Russia hits W. Russia and Belorussia, you’ll get 1 or 2 tanks if you counter attack and you’ll sustain some losses to get it. Russia’s already recovered that with a 3 inf, 3 arm purchase, maybe surpassed it with a 3 inf, arm, fig purchase.
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Germany is in some ways more strapped for units than Russia - Germany has to defend against allied landings in WE, SE, Ger and EE, while also sending some units to Africa, - that often doesn’t leave much for the attack on Moscow, and Russia may actually be able to out-produce Germany on the Russian front even with lower income than Germany. Japan can offset that by similarly distracting Russia on the Eastern front.
So I honestly don’t know between the two who can afford to trade units. It depends on the game I guess. If the allies have stayed out of the Med, and the Baltic fleet is still there or the Allied fleet is not in range of it b/c they are landing via Z4 into Arc / Kar, then Germany can more easily afford to trade units with Russia. But if the UK/US are threatening major landings in Europe, you need to hunker down eventually.
Ukraine G1 / R1 happens before the Allied landings become a real possibility though, so that doesn’t help.
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Germany’s got a pretty free reign for 3 or 4 turns before they have to worry about landings in E. Europe, W. Europe or S. Europe. (Obviously England could hit W. Europe on UK 1, but what British player is outfitted for that and what German player doesn’t have a few infantry and a couple fighters there to defend it?)
Russia doesn’t have that luxury. From Russia 1, Russia’s got to worry about probes in SFE, Buryatia, Karelia, Archangelsk, W. Russia, Ukraine and Caucasus.
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I just think that Germany has to save units for those “rainy days” after round 4 or so. If you only start then, it’s too late.
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On the flip side, I’ve taken Moscow on Turn 5 with Germany.
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To me, that’s like going for checkmate in three moves. It CAN work, but you have to count on your opponent to make some dumb moves and not see it coming.
If you are playing a skilled opponent, you CANNOT capture Russia in five turns. At least, I don’t think so.
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unless the dice gods bless you. =)
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Mmm… I have seen several games lost by Axis because after Moscow fall, in the following turn also Germany fall.
Russia is a short term strategy Country in my opinion. 4-5 turns. Russia have to do the greater damage possible to the German army. Greater the losses on the Russian front greaters the problem that German have to face.
UK/US have to come in help before is too late or, otherwise, Russia and her allies are doomed.
Conservative play or aggressive play when Japan arrive to threaten Moscow and Germany advance on the Eastern front Red Army is in a very bad situation.
So why take care of tanks? The best use for them is to destroy German infantry. They went destroyed in the process? What a pity, meanwhile, Germany have to stack Europe, and any less infantry is one less problem for Russia. -
BTW, if you send both fighters to Ukraine, how do you take W. Russia? And if you take W. Russia and Ukraine, are not all of your armor now vulnerable?
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