I read that, and is one of my sources. Funny enough, KaLeu put a link to Quora asking the same question, and one of the answers just copied and pasted the article you sent me.
Nazi Germany VS The Soviet Union
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@AJ:
@Crazy:
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Russian soldiers were and still are very dedicated and proud warriors. In WWII, running away was not an option, the NKVD saw to that. Surrender maybe, but not running.
I go back to the Quote from the German soldier that fought on the Eastern Front; “It was too damn big, It got too damn cold, and there was just too damn many of them”.
Don’t mistake these more or less balanced games we play as what was real in those days. Serious supply problems have always plagued armies that have tried to invade Russia. And the more men and machines that you send, the more supplies you’ll need. And Germany and its’ satillites could only produce so much, which was often not enough for what did get sent to Russia.
:roll:the soviets were hardcore figthers. they russians sent men running into machine guns and mines for recon and clearing the fields. they were crazy fierce.
i think you mean they were suicidal idiots
war is the willingness of men to die for the honor, ideals and people of the country.
war is all about death and accepting the fact you might die for the greater good. ( or what you believe is the greater good)
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I believe Cyan is correct. At least that is how I, a U.S. Marine sees things.
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General Patton said: “Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.”
Red Army, for not making mistakes, managed to kill both of them in the process (German and Russian soldiers).
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General Patton said: “Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.”
That is a good quote. I like it.
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@M36:
I believe Cyan is correct. At least that is how I, a U.S. Marine sees things.
I appulad you for your service M36.
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Why thank you, but I haven’t done anything yet. If you want to applaud somebody, applaud my brother, he has 62 confirmed kills I believe.
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shoulda been 63 :-D dont the marines tell you that :wink:
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Haha, well my bro is Army so I’m not going to be playing up his accomplishments. 8-)
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@M36:
Haha, well my bro is Army so I’m not going to be playing up his accomplishments. 8-)
anyone noticed you only gotta kill 5 people for the airforce but like 50 in the army and marines? :lol:
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Navy doesn’t kill sh*t, unless we’re talking about in video games… :roll:
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Thats cause there aren’t any dogfights anymore so they had to lower their standards.
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@M36:
Why thank you, but I haven’t done anything yet. If you want to applaud somebody, applaud my brother, he has 62 confirmed kills I believe.
Counterstrike, eh? That game sucks.
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Very funny Jermo. 8-)
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the russians had better tanks but not very many when they invaded but also the russians moved their factories to ivade the germans and also they had a scoorched earth ppolicy plus the second biggest industrial capacity after us and much mroe man power
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I beleive it was very possible for Germany to have beaten Russia but, perhaps not “Nazi Germany.” If the germans would have not been insane with the Nazi crap about killing “lesser” humans they might of won. Many more millions of Ukrainians and Russians would have helped and and joined the Germans if they not killed them because they where Russian or Jewish or Gypsies. If they would have challenged Russia to free it from Stalin’s evil rule they could of freed the country and Russia would forever been there ally. Just one way maybe history could of gone.
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yes but its impossible to separate the two. One could not exist w/o the other unless the depression didn’t occur allowing the Nazis to get voted in.
If Hitler just put his racial policies on hold until after the war the resources would have made the difference. Ukraine and the Baltic states would have fought and died for Hitler in battle rather than by Einzatsgruppen and the Reichenau order.
It would have been easier to just tell france to ‘take one for the team’ in ww1 and just let the Kaiser win.
Then the EU dominated by Germany anyway would have started 70 years earlier and let many people live.And Hitler would still be painting watercolors-
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If Russia was the only declared enemy of Germany, then I think I would give Germany 50% or more, but several things had
to be done very different.
What would be most important I’m not sure, but Hitler had to stay out of all military issues, except giving the order
to start operation Barbarossa.
With Germany preparing from 1935, and Russia not so prepared to “outside” enemies as should be, then I think
Germany would actually pull this off. What would then happen? Would Germany hold Moscow for more than a few months?
And other cities? How long could Germany hold big cities and take control over the resources that Russia had?
It would be resistance and guerrilla in Siberia. Jap would lose to US no matter what. How bout China and US
politics and strats in mainland Asia?? I think it’s very hard to say what would happen in the long run. -
Yes, I think you can separate the two. This is talking about alternate history and if after the depression a different politacal party took control that wanted revenge for WWI took control but didn’t want to kill people just because of race. I don’t see that as out of the realm of possibility. Like the Germans in WWI who wanted world domination but, didn’t kill jews or homosexuals for no reason except that they are different. In concern of how the Germans would control Russia, it could have happened more like WWI. With Russia collasping on it’s self because people rebelling against Stalin and is evil ways. The man was just as bad as Hitler except he got to rule even longer than him so got to kill more. Than the Ukraine and the Baltics would separate like they do in the after the Cold War. They would be come protectorates of Germany and would probably join the Axis Powers to protect themselves from Russia in the future. Germany would just leave the rest of Russia alone after it was already broken and too large to completely control.
What some people don’t know is that at the end WWI was much closer at the end than WWII. It was very possible for the Central Powers in 1918 during the Spring Offensive to have beaten France and Britian. With Russia already knocked out of the war Germany would be unchalleged on the continent.
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yes but their was no other person like Hitler in Germany. Hitler was obviously the top dog of the Nazis and the only alternative was either Communist or another Wiemar crackpot with nothing of any substantive agenda but to get unemployment under control. Their was nobody who preached “they stabbed us in the back mentality” except the Nazis.
Of course if Hitler was dispatched early in 1939, Goering would be the new leader ( it was already the decree in that event)
Goering would have been worse than Hitler.
If Goering was gone then… their is a real chance for something different. Most likely Admiral Raeder or Donetz or even Manstein may have been the leader and a real chance to win was available.
so it would take bumping off the top 2 Nazis to accomplish your idea
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Strange how other strong leaders and intelligent strategists didn’t have the virtue to do what had to be done…
Except near the end, the war already was lost, the plot that Rommel supported.
To save the “system” the Reich, their home country etc, they followed the top dog rather than to care for the whole of
the “wolf” pack as they should do.
Many, many years since I was in the Army, but one of the many good things I learned from officers is that a patrol, a group of
soldiers is never stronger than the weakest point.
Some stories tell of Hitler as kind of “magic” charisma and “above man”, almost god-like.Strong scene in the movie “The Boys from Brazil”. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077269/
The scene in the end of the movie, where the young Hitler controls the dobermans as they were his own arms and legs :evil:
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