Went to hang with the family, it seems i missed a lot of thought provoking conversation.
It seems like everyone is starting to seriously consider moving the UK fleet to the med and going KGF. Odds for the UK in the Indian Ocean are really bad anyway you look at it. At least in the med you can guarantee UK keeps Africa. Isn’t that better than slightly denting the Japanese fleet on a kamikaze run?
Yea you really have to decide to either go all Atlantic, or all Pacific with the US. You try to do a little of both and it just doesn’t work.
I have never seen a J2 conquer of India so far on any of my games and I don’t believe it to be something possible, unless both SZ37 and and the transport on SZ61 are intact.
Otherwise for a J2 you’ll have a max of you’ll have 7 ground units, plus 7 planes plus the bombardment but that just puts severe limits on Japan’s ability to hit anything else on J1. And the UK should have something like 9 ground units, plus 2/3 fighters, plus whatever help the Russians/US can spare and from a quick glance the odds should favor the defenders, plus if Japan lose there’s no units for a follow up attack.
So im running the numbers here after the last game i just played as allies. If i try to take out the Japanese units in SZ37 i will have 13 attack + first round sub attack that hits 33% of the time VS 14 defense. It feels like if i don’t hit with the sub on the first round of combat I’m screwed. Which is what happened to me last game when i played allied. I ended up retreating with 1 CV, 1 CA, and 2 TRN with 2 INF from Australia back to SZ35, dropping the INF in India.
According to the rules you can’t during non-combat offload units that were loaded during combat, so you couldn’t have dropped them on India.
Good call, now my 2INF die on the transport on J2. I’m just going to call the game. At this point there is virutally no way i can win in the pacific knowing what i know now about Japanese naval defense.
All i was able to destroy was 2 fighters, which japan easily replaced with the 2 fighters from the mainland on their J1. So now i have the japanese fleet in SZ36 with 2BB, 2CV, 4FTR, 1CA, 2DD, 2 TRN. Thy have 4 INF, 2 ART, 1TNK in Burma, while i have 6INF and the US FTR from Szechwan. I can maybe get 2 FTR for defense my turn before they invade, but do i put them on my CV, or in India? Is there any possible way you can keep the british fleet in the Indian Ocean alive? It doesn’t seem possible. Do i just kamakazi it on the Japanese units in SZ37 and say “screw the british fleet” and just stock up on INF and FTR’s in India?
J2 will bring 7INF, 2ART, 1TNK. 16attack vs my 16defense? And that’s IF japan doesn’t use it’s BB, CA, FTR, or Bomber.It just seems like no matter what you do, it is always going to end up being a coin flip, and i hate playing games that i end up winning or losing based on a coin flip.
There’s 5 UK infantry on India/Persia/Burma, plus 3 new builds, plus 5 fighters (excluding the Russian ones) and 1 UK bomber. You can also leave the carrier behind to prevent the battleship shot.
I don’t feel like giving up Africa is worth it. I’ll just forfeit the game to my 12 y/o daughter and go KGF next game. She will be happy.
What are the odds of a 40% victory following a 60-70% victory, around 25%? Sure it’s possible, but unlikely. Are you really going to PLAN on this? I wouldn’t. I try not to plan on anything less than 80%
Plus you still have to contend with 4-5 more subs per turn. You can’t beat them AND make transports/other land support naval units.
On a KJF the US only needs to build 1 additional transport on US2, all of the money goes naval (fighters, carriers, subs, destroyers) until you prevent Japan from reconquering Borneo/E. Indies and build an IC there. Until you defeat the Japanese fleet you don’t build any more transports.
Also you are now talking about being on Round 4, and only taking Borneo. Germany is about 2-4 turns from ending this game.
Well, you get the IC on Borneo working on US3, so on US4 you could have a 1st transport ready of troops to kick Japan out of Asia or not, depending on the situation. But the major thing effect of defeating the Japanese fleet is now that India should be secure and can start sending help to the Russians.
But at this point it’s really speculation… I need to try this, there’s a LOT of potential moves, some on the previous posts (I’d buy fighters/bombers instead of subs as Japan… from my experience on 1st Edition the Allies will eventually prevail on the Pacific and planes have a bigger reach and are more useful to harass the US transports on Asia) and the odds are… well, there will be ways to make them better on each situation.
I agree planes have more utility, but subs only hit naval units. I know this sounds like a negative, but honestly i think it’s a huge bonus. Now you don’t have to worry about defending planes on AC’s. Say US has 46IPC per turn on US4, and Japan has around 35 IPC. Japan makes 5-6 subs per turn. What can the US make that will win against that? I have tried every combination, the subs always win. BMR’s/FTR’s don’t always win. So you lose utility, but you gain naval superiority. Which means you severely limit the capabilities of India and a possible US Borneo. Can’t get ground units off Borneo, and if you were just going to send FTR’s to India/RUS you could have done that without giving up your pacific fleet.
Only way UK secures India is if they give up Africa. I have gone over the numbers, you can’t do both. While Japan will be severely limited in ground forces by buying so many subs, they do have enough starting units and TRN’s + J1 2x TRN build to take it if UK doesn’t sacrifice Africa to hold it. So now your talking about a 20IPC UK, and a 20IPC RUS vs a 50+IPC Germany. The second Moscow falls, Germany will steamroll/liberate the entire Asian/African continents then drop a navy in the Baltic and take Brittan.
Hi, new to playing and just curious what others think about this in relation to the reality of a wwii tank unit vs. aircraft. :mrgreen:
I think it has more to do with streamlining/balancing a game, and less to do with historical accuracy. If you went by pure historical accuracy, then Axis would always lose and no one would play this game.
@Cow:
Also it allows germany to do sea lion and actually be a threat to london, so you might see some different games here and there.
I hope you are not claiming that Sea Lion works on Revised… ROFL :D
I did it once… Only once… But it was GLORIOUS!!! They never saw it coming. G2 takes Brittan… Game over. YAY AXIS!
Well I did it once too and even conquered the Western US once or twice… all usually against new players… the point is that it depends on very bad mistakes by the Allies.
It was like a perfect storm. I had a long history of building naval units on G1, so when i bought some transports they didn’t really think twice. Plus my opponent was on this UK1 IC in India “plan”, so he wasn’t building much of anything in Brittan and instead focusing on getting the shucking started between US/UK and Europe as fast as possible.
@Cow:
Also it allows germany to do sea lion and actually be a threat to london, so you might see some different games here and there.
I hope you are not claiming that Sea Lion works on Revised… ROFL :D
I did it once… Only once… But it was GLORIOUS!!! They never saw it coming. G2 takes Brittan… Game over. YAY AXIS!
See I’m not going to DEFEND Borneo. I’m going to leave my newly built subs in SZ60 and my starting navy of 1BB, 2DD, 1AC, 2FTR, 1CA, and 1SS (assuming SZ37 is mutually destroyed by UK SZ35/39 units) in SZ35 off the coast of India. Then i wait until US decides where to attack. Lets say you take Borneo, now i attack with my starting navy, plus 5 subs. US loses and i still have my entire fleet minus 3-4 subs.
The wonderful thing about this strategy is Japan doesn’t have to defend anything. I just sit and wait for US to decide where it wants to attack, then i counter and destroy it.
Sean, the US can always block those 5 subs on SZ60 from attacking SZ47 by moving 1 destroyer to SZ48. There’s simply no way for Japan to deal with those destroyer blockers unless Germany brings a fighter/bomber to the Pacific. The US can also skip Borneo and focus on East Indies and then the subs on SZ60 can’t reach the US fleet off East Indies.
Or the US can simply send a single transport with fighter support to take Borneo and then Japan has to react. Lots of ways to skin this cat…
You’re talking about a 25% probability for Allies on round 3. So i make 5 more subs on J3, you take Borneo on US2, and reinforce on UK3, and we annihilate each other on J3. I now have 4-5 subs in SZ48 and 4 more in SZ60. You have maybe 1BB. US3 you build an IC on Borneo. J4 buy some ground units and TRN’s and start shucking them to the mainland, and i destroy any leftover US/UK naval vessles and you can keep your worthless Borneo. All you can do with it at this point is build FTR’s and use them to fortify India/Russia. You’re US/UK naval presence in the Pacific is now over.
Only way to take Borneo with FTR support is to move an AC into SZ49 which then gets eaten by some subs, or if your entire fleet goes there then we annihilate each other with you having a 40% chance of winning.
Any way you look at it, Germany takes Moscow and Axis wins.
Ok, so then it is:
2BB, 2DD, 4FTR, 1BMR, 1CA, 1AC, 1SS (34) vs 3 ACs, 1 BB, 1DD, 1 SS, 6 FTRs (37)
60% chance of Japanese victory. (average IPC loss for Allies is 114) 75% for Japan with LL dice.
It’s better, it’s at least viable, but at this point it is assuming lucky dice at SZ37 on UK1. So a 60-70% chance of your UK1 strategy working right, plus an eventual 60% showdown. But you should average out to around 1BB and your transports left for US/UK in the pacific, maybe you also save a destroyer. Then IF you do have a DD left you could try to attack the 5 subs on US turn with 46% odds of winning.
2 subs, UK and US - UK1 buy is still 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 1 sub.
Even if Japan wins the US should be able to build an IC on US3 because it can bring 2 inf, and the UK can also lift 2 inf from Australia. And on US3 the first ships built on US1 also start arriving at Borneo….even if Japan attacks the Allied fleet off Borneo on J3 and wins, any survivors will face the risk of an US counterattack.
What are the odds of a 40% victory following a 60-70% victory, around 25%? Sure it’s possible, but unlikely. Are you really going to PLAN on this? I wouldn’t. I try not to plan on anything less than 80%
Plus you still have to contend with 4-5 more subs per turn. You can’t beat them AND make transports/other land support naval units.
Also you are now talking about being on Round 4, and only taking Borneo. Germany is about 2-4 turns from ending this game.
US moves destroyer to SZ48 (Philippines) on US2 and blocks your 5 subs from reaching that SZ.
India also gets 3 ground units, plus the US fighter, plus 3 UK fighters (the 2 from West Russia - since no carrier is built on UK2)… with the starting units included I don’t Japan can break that with 4 ground units plus planes.
Ok, so then it is:
2BB, 2DD, 4FTR, 1BMR, 1CA, 1AC, 1SS (34) vs 3 ACs, 1 BB, 1DD, 1 SS, 6 FTRs (37)
60% chance of Japanese victory. (average IPC loss for Allies is 114) 75% for Japan with LL dice.
It’s better, it’s at least viable, but at this point it is assuming lucky dice at SZ37 on UK1. So a 60-70% chance of your UK1 strategy working right, plus an eventual 40% showdown. But you should average out to around 1BB and your transports left for US/UK in the pacific, maybe you also save a destroyer. Then IF you do have a DD left you could try to attack the 5 subs on US turn with 46% odds of winning.
At least when they were 2 defense they cost 8 IPC. I think that is much more balanced. Then you can’t outproduce subs over equally powerful destroyers, or cruisers. While cruisers cost 12IPC, they have the same ATK/DEF per IPC as destroyers. 4IPC per point of ATK/DEF. So then you can grab 1 destroyer, and some cruisers and still bombard stuff while simultaneously defending against subs.
UK cannot keep India and Africa, and Africa is worth more.
I’ve already mentioned this: subs here are maximized for attack but they have serious drawbacks, specially you can’t rely on them to defend a fleet against air attacks. And Japan needs to have transports so doesn’t matter if you have 10, 15 or 20, they can be rendered useless to defend surface ships and transports against air attacks.
Like Mallery29 said, the ‘new’ sub stats have been introduced 4 years ago on Anniversary and so far no one has ever complained about them or you see people using massive fleets of subs on AA50, AA41.1 or Global… they can’t go on land and they can’t defend against planes.
Maybe it’s the combination of the new map, initial starting unit placement, and the subs which make them so potent now? Or maybe everyone always went KGF before? The old map seemed to favor KGF, and the new map (at least at first glance) appears to favor KJF.
Why does Japan need transports? Why can it not just build a pure navy to defeat any UK/US navy in the pacific and let Germany beat Russia?
Subs overpowered? They’ve been like this for what, at least 4 years? At least they don’t have the two defense…those were the days of overpowered.
India should NOT be abandon…in 41, yes, definitely (by turn 4)…not here…even in a KGF strat, you should not be abandonig India…Uk can still build to support India, but abandoning it only bring back the “orange steamroller”. Why would Japan even bother buying an IC if you are just going to be a coward and abandon your post.
The game is not Axis favored heavily like 42.1 was…the axis should not be “cruising” to victories like you say they are.
At least when they were 2 defense they cost 8 IPC. I think that is much more balanced. Then you can’t outproduce subs over equally powerful destroyers, or cruisers. While cruisers cost 12IPC, they have the same ATK/DEF per IPC as destroyers. 4IPC per point of ATK/DEF. So then you can grab 1 destroyer, and some cruisers and still bombard stuff while simultaneously defending against subs.
UK cannot keep India and Africa, and Africa is worth more.
man, reading is not your strength. I said if Russia can hold out 5-6 turns, cool. Most likely it will be gone on G6. You would really risk a German Bomber against a DD? I do like taking Gib, it’s a good move and probably the most legit one (I would do it). With the Indian IC already in place, for me Africa isn’t a high pri for UK as it used to be…besides, any income lost in Africa will easily be made up in Asia as Japan coughs up territory to India/Russia and the islands to the US. Your J1 Subs buy does not protect Borneo from the UK or US transport on turn two.
If you protect Borneo w/CV/2FTR/CA/SS/DD, and I can attack it with 2FTR/Bomber/1DD/SS/BB, Borneo falls 78% of the time. Now Japan has no CVs, while I have mine still in the Solomons w/DD, with another CV on the way, plus additional support. Plus now you lost your original SS, a DD, and CA. These two naval battles have cost Japan 80 units of IPCs it can’t afford to replace.
If you protect the Phillipines and Borneo, your fleet is divided and it makes the options easier for the US without having to risk its CV and I could probably leave another DD behind. It helps though if the UK can get Borneo or EI (can be done easily if something of the UK EI attack survives). You are going to run out of Japanese troops before you can stop the Americans.
What am i using the German bomber for otherwise on G1? I don’t NEED it, and i have a 85-90% chance of killing the DD in SZ17 with it. 60% chance of killing it and keeping my bomber. Germany needs the UK fleet gone to get Africa, and that DD will really hinder that capability.
There is a total of 9IPC on mainland asia, and i really doubt you’ll get them all. Even IF US buys a pacific fleet to force Japan to buy subs, holding Manchuria, Kiang and Kwang are pretty easy. So that means UK MIGHT get 3-5 IPC from the Asian mainland, and your giving up 10-12IPC in Africa for it. Even if you took them all you’d be giving up more than your gaining. Doesn’t seem worth it to me. Plus it puts all your UK troops on the opposite side of the continent from the Russian/German front line. So even IF you do take it all, now your 3-4 turns from getting back to the front lines. Then how do you hold your newly found land? Sure Japan doesn’t have much, but if it’s unguarded it doesn’t take much to get it right back.
See I’m not going to DEFEND Borneo. I’m going to leave my newly built subs in SZ60 and my starting navy of 1BB, 2DD, 1AC, 2FTR, 1CA, and 1SS (assuming SZ37 is mutually destroyed by UK SZ35/39 units) in SZ35 off the coast of India. Then i wait until US decides where to attack. Lets say you take Borneo, now i attack with my starting navy, plus 5 subs. US loses and i still have my entire fleet minus 3-4 subs.
The wonderful thing about this strategy is Japan doesn’t have to defend anything. I just sit and wait for US to decide where it wants to attack, then i counter and destroy it.
I played the other weekend and I was the Axis and I built 2 subs every round with Japan and germany went crazy and I won 2 games using this plan. My question is how do you stop Germany in this game? We are playing again this weekend and I will be the Allies. At this time my plan is to go 50% in the Atlantic and 50% in the pacific with USA.
If japan buys subs, i really don’t see how Allies can win if they are spending any IPC in the Pacific. Allies need to go KGF. RUS1 sends Moscow FTR to Egypt to hold it, UK1 buys at least 1DD off the coast of India and on UK2 moves it to SZ17 inside the Mediterranean. Pull ground troops out of India and move them to hold Africa. Once you have the Med and Africa, then with US help, clean up the remaining German Navy and start invading Europe. Either force Germany to fight on 2 sides, or Reinforce the Russian front line to push back either Germany or Japan.
I completely agree with the part of strategies being based on 66% odds but you can rest assured that even if you never use it, you’ll see a lot of people trying. To me, it sounds like something I may try once in a while.
And… yeah all of this discussion on the board has been centered on Pacific and kicking Japan but… none is being said about stopping Germany…
Oh i guarantee you people are doing this, and depending on how the Japanese player responds it may work. Especially if they don’t buy subs on J2. I could totally see this strategy working against someone who doesn’t know how to counter it. But once you know how, it’s easy and reliably countered.
My biggest issue is i think subs are overpowered. Japan doesn’t need to take land so it doesn’t need naval units that help in that facet. If the US and UK are in the pacific, that means they aren’t pressuring Germany, so all Japan has to do is keep US/UK occupied long enough for Germany to win the game for them, and mass subs gets that job done.
Hmmm. How about this? On UK2 the UK pulls back instead to SZ38 (SW Australia) and leaves the cruiser to block the Japanese fleet on SZ36 from reaching it. On U2 the US can then take Borneo, move a destroyer to SZ48 to block the 5 J subs and the UK can join the US fleet off Borneo. So you have:
- 2 BB, 1 AC, 2 DD, 1 CA, 1 SS, 5 FTRs, 1 BMR vs 3 ACs, 1 BB, 1 DD, 2 SS, 6 FTRs…. or 50%-50%
I followed everything you said until here.
How are you sending 1 cruiser to block the Japanese fleet on SZ36 on UK2? The Japanese fleet is on SZ36, so you attack it with 1 cruiser and it blows up. I think you mean SZ37.
Id’s probablyy go to India and bombard/transport units and take it on J2, and buy 5 subs on J2. US2 takes Borneo, UK3 merges its Indian fleet with your US fleet. I attack with everything you just said, +5 subs.
98% chance of Japanese Victory with an average IPC loss of 58 (so I’d lose 6SS, 2DD, 1CA) and be left with a fleet of 2BB, 1AC, 2FTR. Slightly better than the other way, but only 3SS better.
I only have to take your islands…and India and Russia can take your mainland…if you don’t attack Egypt G1, I will destroy your BB/Trans, so good luck on that Africa trip! In a KJF, Moscow only has to hold till turn 5-6…and if you are buying subs for Japan, you aren’t going to hold off India. Ignore India and you lose the war.
What are you killing my BB/Trans with? 1 Bomber? G1 took Gibralter so you can’t take your FTR’s. Odds of 1BMR taking out 1BB is 6%, 19% if you count ties. So yes i now have Africa. Want to take UK troops off the Russian front lines to take the Asian Mainland? Go for it, thanks for making Germany’s job of taking Moscow easier.
What are you taking my Japanese islands with? You’re Indian Ocean UK fleets are destroyed unless you fled to the med. You’re US navy? J2 buy of 5 subs along with starting navy has a 99% chance of victory against your starting US navy with only 3SS losses. How many turns are you going to waist buying a US pacific fleet to destroy mine? How many turns do you think it will take for Germany to take Moscow? 6-8?
Assuming the Japanese fleet is destroyed at EI, I don’t need my fleet to take your islands, I just need transports and an escort. I’m not going to drop Naval like Hobbes was theorizing (and I’m sure he’s only theorizing, and not saying this is a go to strat). I’m sure that Hobbes is more likely convinced that the EI fleet must die… but that’s for Hobbes to say. I will build land units in India. So go ahead and build your subs, because I’m coming for you. I can take Borneo or the Phillines US2 if I wanted. Although if the UK transports survive, I’d appreciate it if they landed the four units in Borneo on UK2. That way I can possibly land 3 FTRs and two inf for the US there (or 1inf/1AAA) with a DD blocker. So if you did build your IC/2 Trans on J1 and put it in Borneo, you lose the complex on UK2. You’ll be forced to take it back on J2, giving more time for Asia, and then possibly lose it on US2 or lose the Phillipines uncontested.
This whole Naval buy for India was already contested in another thread (better though with the Russian FTR though, but way too risky)….it’s a gamble that I don’t think India can afford…sure, if the dice go UK way, its over…it goes the other way, it’s over the other way. It’s a nice idea, but so was the Hindenburg…
Assuming you can kill the Japanese fleet at EI? You only have a 65% chance of that (including ties). I really wouldn’t PLAN a game winning strategy around a 65% UK1 chance.
No US cannot take any of the islands if i build subs. Not possible, sorry, not in time to stop Germany from taking Moscow and winning the game anyhow.
Maybe you hold India with ground forces, but likely only if you sacrifice Africa to Germany. Which means UK will end up with less than 20IPC per turn very soon, and Russia under 20IPC, vs Germany with over 50IPC. You will lose eventually. The only way you can win is if US gets to the mainland, and it can’t do that through the pacific.
14 defending points / 6 = 2.333, or 2 hits unless you want also to give the UK 3 hits since they have 15 attacking points /6 = 2.5 hits.
Bad math on my part, i fixed my post above. Please re-read
I’m calculating for a possible J1 attack on SZ35, not J2. On UK2 would then really depend on what’s going on the board, at least 1 UK fighter could be moved to West Russia and then move to SZ35 on UK2, so UK could buy on UK2 a carrier, fighter, destroyer and add those 4, possibly 5 (the 2nd fighter from the UK) units to its SZ35 fleet.
Then you’d have 3 carriers and 6 fighters plus a few other units… that would be too much for Japan to break I think, if it has been already weakened on SZ37.
Well the BB you were using for calculations in you UK defense were bought on UK2, for a J2 attack. But if you want to re-run the numbers with a third carrier instead we can. But i have a feeling the outcome will be the same. Why would i attack SZ37 on J1 and risk losing half my fleet when i can attack on J2 and be certain of victory with much lower losses?
Surviving 1AC, and 2FTR + UK1 buy of 1AC, 1FTR (save 7IPC for UK2, gives you 38IPC) + UK2 buy of 1AC, 2FTR, + 1FTR from Russia would give you:
2BB, 2DD, 4FTR, 1BMR, 1CA, 1AC, 1SS (34) vs 3AC, 6FTR (30)
99% chance of Japanese victory.
if it has been already weakened on SZ37 and it’s one very risky battle, because afterwards there will be almost nothing left against the starting American fleet and Japan is lalmost forced to fight it. The overall odds depend on the number of surviving J fighters on SZ37 and the UK fighters reaching SZ35.
Another possibility would be just to pull back the UK fleet to Africa on UK2 if Japan massed its fleet to attack SZ35 on J2. With both the UK/US fleets active Japan will lose the Pacific and the money islands quickly.
On average, the Japanese fleet would be left with 2BB, 1AC, 2FTR. Then lets say on US1 you take Solomon Island, and on J2 i buy 5 subs and put them in SZ60. Then if the US fleet goes to Borneo, or Philippenes, i can attack that fleet with:
2BB, 1AC, 4FTR (2 from FI), and 5SS (31) VS 1BB, 1AC, 2FTR, 1SS, 2DD (19)
99% chance of victory with an average loss of 3SS.
And if the US wants to delay and build more ships, then you build more subs. The longer the US tries to take the pacific, the longer Germany has to take Moscow. Axis Wins.
Also, all these calculations are favoring lucky UK rolls and bad Japanese rolls. Half the time the outcome will be worse than this for allies.
Really the only GOOD option for UK is to do as you say and pull back to the med. Use those ships to attack Germany and help keep Africa and support Russia’s Caucuses.
Only 1 Japanese DD can reach SZ35.
The 1 DD starts in SZ61, and the 2nd starts in SZ60. They can both move to SZ36 on J1, and to SZ35 on J2.
OK, assuming Germany attacks the DD on SZ17 with the bomber (and loses it, since it’s 43% odds for that to happen - check your calcs),
58% chance for German BMR to win, 28% of tie, 14% chance to lose against the DD. Just double checked.
then UK attacks SZ37 for 1 round of combat and pulls everything back to India. On average that gets 1 hit to the Japanese battleship and another hit for the carrier, which removes 2 fighters from the Japanese attack on SZ35 on J1. If Japan chooses to take down a fighter instead, then continue the attack, if you have average losses (1 sub and 1 cruiser hit on defending fire) but ALWAYS retreat when the carrier dies, if possible.
If the Japanese carrier on SZ37 is sunk then the SZ35 battle becomes:1 BB, 1 DD, 4 FTRs, 1 BMR vs 2 ACs, 1 CA, 1 SS, 4 FTRs…. or 57% for defenders
Of course, this is a HUGE gamble but if it pays off… Japan is out of the Pacific really soon, since that UK fleet will also have 2 transports in range of East Indies/Borneo.
Well if it was me, i would choose a FTR to lose first. So First round i tip BB and lose a FTR and you lose 1 Sub, and 1 Cruisers? Then you continue with 1AC, 2FTR, 1CA? So you get on average 1-2 more hit, and i get 1-2 more hits (10vs10). So lets say you get lucky and only take 1 hit and lose a CA AND get 2 hits? That’s a lot of lucky rolls.
That makes you have:
2BB, 2DD, 4FTR, 1BMR, 1CA, 1AC, 1SS (34)vs 2AC, 4FTR, 1BB, 1DD, 1SS (27)
97% chance of Japanese victory.
I don’t know why you keep leaving out 1 of the Japanese BB’s, 1 DD, 1CA, and 1SS. SO yea sure, if i decide to NOT attack you with everything you MIGHT win? How does that work?
Counter: R1 buy, 4inf, 2tanks. Hit Wuk and WRus. Move Evengi 2inf into China, move Kazah inf into Schezwan. Stack Buryatia or Yakut (Yakut to lure some Japanese off the line). 1 Russia FTR to Egypt for those purists out there.
UK hits EI fleet. Buys 2art/inf for India, 2 FTRs. Assume total annihilation of both fleets. UK FTRs to WRus. Bomber to Caucus. Pick up Egypt art/inf and drop in India, get 2 Aus inf to SZ 30 for landing in India UK2. Tank heads towards India.
Japan will most likely hit Yunan and Anwehi. Japan can hit PH, but why lose the entire navy? Japan buys its 5 SS
US buys CV, FTR, DD, Trans, art. US takes Solomons. US can probably hit Yunan or HK. US FTR can stay in Schezwan, but can land in India if hit Yunan to protect India.
Russia moves all inf and 2 tanks into Schezwan or stay in North China(should now have 3-4 inf/2tanks). Russia buys stuff to fortify its lines against Germany.
UK buys 1 more FTR and 2 tanks for India… WRus FTRs to India, UK FTRs to WRus.
Japan will buy 5 more SS? Tries to land in Schezwan or Burma.
US may try to hit phillipines/Borneo on US 2 (so I can load up planes on US3) but I would shuck and get more of the same with CV, FTR, 2 Trans. Bomber to Solomons. India can’t be taken cause you don’t have troops (cause you bought subs). Now India and Russia are free to conquer Asia…because you keep spending money on troops and you are out of troops to attack with because you are trying to buy subs…while you are worried about the US fleet (that can wait you out, India and Russia have taken your cash flow away. and when the US is ready, it will sack its transports to take the Islands away from you…you are now making 10 IPCs a turn. If you want to win, don’t buy tons of subs. The US will be patient with you and you will unleash the Indian beast.
So your pulling everything out of Africa, which means you have just given 10 IPC per turn from UK to Germany, which means Germany takes Russia even faster now. Then you’re also pulling Russian TNK’s and INF off the line to support India? I think this combination is going to doom Russia into a quick loss against Germany.
Every turn US is “waiting out japan” is one more turn Germany is closer to taking Moscow and winning the game. Russia CANNOT win the game for you. You’re entire counter is that Russia somehow miraculously beats Germany with Germany holding Africa, which is never going to happen.
I’m not saying protecting India is “Impossible”, but to do what is required means Allies lose Moscow and subsequently the game.
