OFFICIAL REQUEST: ITALIAN MOLDS in A&A Europe 1940

@Sergente_nella_neve:

Hi all.

Some day ago, Larry Harris in person told in his forum that in the new A&A Europe 1940 Italy won’t have her specific molds for the units used in game (except tank and infantry). Considering that Italy is a major power in the game, independent from Germany and, of course, from Japan, I don’t understand the reason for this choice: nor commercial, nor historic, nor nothing.

I’m italian and I’m the founder of the unique A&A’s italian players forum on the web. As italian players, we OFFICIALLY REQUEST Larry with the creation of specific molds to represent the italian units on the battle board. I’m here to ask your support, the support of the greatest A&A’s web community. This is not a nationalistic or political request, the conduct of the war by the italian forces is not the argument of this request: this is only a request about the GAME. Please sign down this topic if you agree, I personally will put a link at this topic (and at the similar topic we putted in our italian forum: http://axisandallies.forumup.it/viewtopic.php?t=1114&mforum=axisandallies) on the Larry’s forum in the next days.

A game with specific molds for EVERY nation would be funnier, greater, better, and personally I’d rather spend 10 € more than not having specific italian molds. The new game is still 6 months far to be released, the time to repair the consequences of this bad and incomprehensible choice is enough.

Thank you for your support.

Good luck with that!

as an italian-canadian u can put my name on that list sarge

WOTC will never ever make pieces as nice as FMG Italian set.

If you wait for some miracle from WOTC, you will wait longer than WOTC will exist. It takes them a new concept game to produce 2 new pieces. To replace the entire Italian army, naval and air forces, your talking a huge hurtle for WOTC to make. They can’t even make a proper Battleboard for the new product AAP40, so what makes it reasonable to think WOTC will ever make dedicated Italian pieces?  WOTC should concentrate on things like typos and making sure the game has enough chips, because frankly they have problems even in this area… sad but true.

Support FMG products. They will make it right.

This is all the more reason why FMG should make their own WWII Axis and Allies type game. They care. WOTC does not. A&A for WOTC is only a side business. The only game that they really care about is Magic, boy did they luck out on that one, because they certainly do not know how to run a business. If for some reason the interest in that game gets supplanted by another game,WOTC will be history, because they are just riding the wave right now.

OK so if the Global game is for up to 6 players and AAE40 includes Italy as a separate power….

[hmmm. Remove footwear so I can continue to type AND count]

UK
USA
ANZAC
Germany
Italy
Japan
USSR

OK. Somebody’s gotta get merged when the two games do… ANZAC + UK? Italy + Germany?

@allboxcars:

@Brain:

Why does there have to be a merger?

I’m counting 7 players and it’s supposed to be for 6 max when the games are combined.

Who or where does it say that there has to be a max. of 6 players?

@Brain:

@allboxcars:

@Brain:

Why does there have to be a merger?

I’m counting 7 players and it’s supposed to be for 6 max when the games are combined.

Who or where does it say that there has to be a max. of 6 players?

OK I am certain I’ve seen that more than once and authoritative enough I didn’t pass it off a rumour… maybe it says on the back of the box or Krieghund?

Anyway, only source I can point to with authority at this point is Boardgamegeek reports it as part of the Manufacturer’s description.

I’m coming to the conclusion (mentioned elsewhere just as an idea) that in a global game the non Communist Allies would be better divided geographically than politically.

i.e. Atlantic Allies and Pacific Allies, with the USA divided east/west between them.  After joining the war the Americans very quickly established control over the entire Pacific theatre, with UK islands and all Anzacs subordinated to MacArthur’s SWP command.

This is particularly relevant to multi-player games in which each player has individual victory conditions, and discourages the KGF/KJF strategies.  Certainly in 1942 scenarios Anzac territory and forces should be firmly under US control.

@idk_iam_swiss:

aww no sharing?

Well, personally, I always thought that rather than bid to be a specific power that may have an advantage, players should have music playing in the background throughout the game.
When any of the powers’ anthems comes on everyone stands and slowly walks around the chairs in a clockwise-manner.
When the music stops, the players occupy the seat in front of them and assume that power as their own.
Play resumes until the next anthem.

It is the second easiest way to balance game play.

Check out the quality compared to the standard pieces:

And here is another shot:

UK will controll ANZAC
isnt it obvious?

Italian molds arent “necissary” however a few new key italian sculpts, or at least a mix and mash from other armies rather than a 100% german line up would be nice

Infantry - Italian (good)
Artillery - Old japanese (keep it this way, cant be the 88" and shouldnt be the new jap gun, so this is now a unique sculpt)
Mech infantry - New Unit, keep it in line with the axis (or use an italian colored battle of the bulge truck, size might be off however)
Tank - Already Italain (good)
Fighter - Here is where Id like a new unit
Fighter Bomber - Cant be the Stuka, (likely will be the same as the russians or the japanese)
Bomber - Japanese (keep it, italy isnt a bomber power)
Transport - Keep it european axis
Sub - Keep it european axis
Destroyer - Ok if its same as german, its a nice mold
Cruiser - NOT the crappy german cruiser design, maybe use the japanese one, or new russian one
Carrier - Keep it european axis, it looks scratch built, like an italian carrier would be
Battleship - Maybe a unique battleship, its their only other claim to fame

so essentaly we need a new battleship and fighter design……should we realy be complaning, all the other molds as of now make sense, UK and US share tons of molds, its ok for italy and germany to do the same. However if they were going to make some italian molds, a figher and a battleship shouldnt be too problematic

Toss my vote in for the cost effective option, new ship, new plane, rest the same.

I knew about Guilo Douhet, his concept of air war was well ahead of its time. Realizing that borders and front lines would soon become irellevent as air armadas attacked cities and headquarters of the enemy

Germany had a strategic bomber, the Junkers-JU86 I think it was called, and other Junkers models used in the battle of britain. Italy frequently used its medium bombers to attack British Ports in the Mediteranian such as Gibraltar, over and over.

There is no doubt in my mind that italy deserves some of its own boat molds, particularly the battleship and cruiser, however im being practiacal….WOTC should pull from existing, rareley used molds, such as the Russians, for a unique look for some italian units (if they are at least historicaly similar)

I however never knew the Germans and Italains shared the Stuka dive bomber, that is a neat bit of history.

Dont think im disrespecting the Italains at all, As a 3rd generation Italian American myself I dont have any ill will towards the Italian nation, or their conduct during WWII. Im simply opting for the most economicaly sound option, reusing molds from other countries and games could add variety to the italian aresenal, without the cost of new molds being cast.

And yes…I still want an italaian battleship and Fighter

stay on topic.

I am with you Sergente!