@SuperbattleshipYamato hard to argue against any of this really. The IJN was so far gone by this point in the war that there’s not really much they could have done to salvage their situation one way or another. The bit about the allies not having many LSTs in general is something I never knew before though.
Who was the GREATEST
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:lol: Guess I hit a nerve.
@Imperious:
Hitler’s Germany was NOT the greatest threat to the human race that has ever existed. Barring an ice age, a supervolcanic event, or a large asteroid impact, post WWII Soviet Union could be considered a greater threat simply by virtue of far greater manpower and nuclear weapons.
your right. Krakatoa was the greatest followed by Tunguska
This is an unfair comparison. We both know that in the past there have been much larger events of those types that are capable of reducing the human population from billions to a matter of thousands or zero. Just because we survived Krakatoa and Tunguska doesn’t mean that we are guaranteed to survive the next major event.
Oh god. Who isn’t a flawed individual?
Everyone is flawed. But we aren’t talking about everyone. We are discussing the greatness of a select few men. And it’s easy to ignore their flaws especially when those men’s flaws get in the way of their greatness. When you want to discuss the greatness of people, then you have to take the whole package not just the bits that support your claim and toss the rest.
Bill Hicks said it best. Hitler was an underachiever. And thank somebody’s God for that because if he wasn’t he could have done far more damage than he did. Hitler was a statesman who fancied himself a great general when he wasn’t. He famously ignored his commander’s advice, let personal feelings affect his decisions, and sometimes soured himself on his military leaders or tactics after only minor setbacks. His obsession with rooting out and exterminating the Jews and other perceived undesireables not only in Germany but also in conquered countries was, aside from being deplorable, a tremendous waste of time, manpower, and resources; had zero military value; and in the long run needlessly slowed Germany down thereby hastening the end of the war.
Sticking his nose into things that were beyond his capabilities and not relegating duties to better qualified people? Personal vendettas that interfered with good judgement and good advice? Obsession to the point of being irrational?
Churchill, on the other hand, was an imperialist who hypocritically railed against Hitler’s imperialism while simultanously was a sycophant for another imperialist (Stalin) at the expense of the country who’s pledge for defense was the entire reason for the war to begin with. For him, liberty was important when it came to western Europe, but not so much when it came to Eastern Europe, Africa and India.
These are simply not the marks of great men. I have no doubt that Einstein had shortcomings, but compared to those guys they can’t be very large.
…and in terms of Eintein’s regognition; the same comparisons will be drawn to Hitler by anyone percieved as a totallitarian nemesis.
That’s a typically Eurocentric view. Do you think that the Chinese feel that Hitler was their greatest totalitarian nemesis? How about Africans? Afghanis? The Finns? Philippinos? Cambodians? There are even some in the Baltic States and Eastern Europe who feel that Stalin was more of a totalitarian menace than Hitler.
The problem with humanity is that we can all benefit immensely from looking at the world from other people’s perspectives, like when discussing great men, or when it comes to conflicts, but it’s a rare thing for it to actually happen. And even an arrogant person like myself or someone like you, for example, makes that mistake on occasion.
“Till the end of time”
I didn’t say that. I said until the end of “mankind”. For all we know tomorrow could be our last day. I doubt time would stop for that milestone, however. But, either way, it’s a true statement. Einstein will be with us for good. He’s the gift that keeps on giving. Even when Hitler will be just a thousand year old maniac.
As for the rest of your post, I am making a conscious effort not to respond to vitriol with vitriol. You have a nice day.
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This is an unfair comparison. We both know that in the past there have been much larger events of those types that are capable of reducing the human population from billions to a matter of thousands or zero. Just because we survived Krakatoa and Tunguska doesn’t mean that we are guaranteed to survive the next major event.
Your right. The sun is the greatest followed by Planet X which will enter and pass thru the Kuiper belt causing large KBO’s to enter and crash into the Earth.
If we want to go larger…. in a few billion years Andromeda Galaxy will collide with ours and the Earth will get its reward finally. That will be the greatest.
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Here is a question: Which worthy people should have made this list?
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As for the rest of your post, I am making a conscious effort not to respond to vitriol with vitriol. You have a nice day.
Lol! Well….kudos to you most sincerely for not letting me get a rise out of you.
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I chose hitler his only problem was attacking more powers besides that Hitler won the war technically beleive it or not sometimes winning more battles does win the war
theres a quote i say lol because germans did not win the main war however they won the war above that aka showing the commitern making new weapons yep hitler showed us he can win -
I chose hitler his only problem was attacking more powers besides that Hitler won the war technically beleive it or not sometimes winning more battles does win the war
theres a quote i say lol because germans did not win the main war however they won the war above that aka showing the commitern making new weapons yep hitler showed us he can winI have no idea what you just said, but you are wrong. :lol:
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lol i need to lean how to qoute + man i was stating that hitler won the war of showing that the germans have some spice. also in a&a any games germany should have more ipcs then u.s.a ok i think that is super cheap i know its out of topic just saying.
also hitler won the war in theory of taking many lives and such but didnt win the military war thats all and your right i messed up lol :-P -
well it looks like Adolf won this poll after all.
Damm Vegans!
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lol sorry man i hate hitler but he was a good leader
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If he was that great of a leader should he had won the war?
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Not when they are fighting basically every nation on earth with help from Italy. :-D
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If Hitler had finished the war in the west before attacking the U.S.S.R there would be no debate over this issue. Hitler between 1933-1941 was an awesome leader; however between 1942-1945 he was a failure.
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lol i need to lean how to qoute + man i was stating that hitler won the war of showing that the germans have some spice. also in a&a any games germany should have more ipcs then u.s.a ok i think that is super cheap i know its out of topic just saying.
also hitler won the war in theory of taking many lives and such but didnt win the military war thats all and your right i messed up lol :-PI’m trying to understand what you mean exactly, but I don’t see how Hitler won anything. At the end of the war, Hitler, the Axis, and the Nazi party (effectively) were no more. I agree that he did show that Germany still had a warrior’s bone in its body.
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hitler (EDITED OUT)… showing some back bone many still after wer nazi
the battles germans lost were not the battle of hope really.EDIT: Please proof your language before posting. Its really hard to follow what you say, and sometimes your using inappropriate language
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who ever edited it to me thankyou i have received it from many people and i will control the language that i dont think is unappropriate but because i want to stay
i apologize and say that i will try my best to not say those things i said ad ill restate the reason why i chose hitler i chose him because in his early years he a rallied up and showed the world power (thank god the allies won id be 1 of the rebels) (hope thats very apropriate answer) want the person who edited em to answer!also this is why my karma has gone many negitives at the moment
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I gave you +2 Karma. I never gave you bad karma, but i think if you posted more clearly and thoughtfully, your credits will roll up and other posters will respect your take on the issues.
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who ever edited it to me thankyou i have received it from many people and i will control the language that i dont think is unappropriate but because i want to stay
i apologize and say that i will try my best to not say those things i said ad ill restate the reason why i chose hitler i chose him because in his early years he a rallied up and showed the world power (thank god the allies won id be 1 of the rebels) (hope thats very apropriate answer) want the person who edited em to answer!also this is why my karma has gone many negitives at the moment
Don’t worry so much about Karma. Just say what you have to say. I have no idea who keeps taking mine and I dont care either. I just care about giving positive Karma to everyone here that demonstrates non biased, introspective view points. Also friendly people. I love friendly people.
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imperious ty and other guy thanks i am going to edit a bit more because im use to not type full sentences on the internet(msn)
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Yes you need to type completely and make sure the sentence makes sence. This is not texting on a phone. These posts are not idle chat and people take time to provide coherent thoughts and we respect others by writing in a manner that is clear.
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imperious i actually thought you gave me -1 karma.
Anyways hitler won the best military award but
Church Hill probably won the determined award
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