New Axis & Allies Global War Variant (free map)

Deep blue, mentioned before to update each Friday, so I expect something today  :wink:  I’m curious where this project stands. Which VC’s will be decided? Start date? and Turn Order?

The third draft is on its way.

The file sharing service I use is currently down.  I will post the map as soon as it comes up.  Sorry for the wait.  Below are the changes I have made.

Added:
Portugal

Changed:
Baltic States, Western Russia, Eastern Ukraine, and Crimea are under Russian control.
Former sea zones 92, 93 and 107 have been combined.
Abyssinia and Italian Somaliland are now Italian.
Add Addis Ababa as the fifth VC for Italy.

I like IL’s turn order too.

Deathhead’s idea about US only getting half it’s production on the 1st turn unless attacked I like too.

The restricted Russia idea is good, but if it’s '42 then Barbarossa had begun the previous year.

@murraymoto:

but if it’s '42 then Barbarossa had begun the previous year.

The map is set at June 1941, with a few exceptions.

Goals for This Week.

I would like to finalize the following by next Friday (30th of March).

1. Victory Cities
2. Starting Territories, their borders, names and any final additions/removals.  (IPCs will be discusses at a later date)
3. Turn Order
4. Roads in or out?  (I am willing to make a version with roads if enough people want one.)

Victory Cities
I feel that to get the VC conversation moving forward we should use the following approach.

Review the current list, then post what cities on that list you disagree with and why, along with your suggested replacement.

I think this approach will allow us to focus on specific cities and allow for pointed debates.  (Please don’t just post your list of cities.)

Other VC goals:
This is not set in stone but for parity and continuity I would like each nation to have the same number of VCs.

Try to keep fairness/balance in mind when choosing cities.

Try to keep one territory between the VCs. (I know we have some exceptions, if you have a better city please let me know.)

It’s my understanding everyone likes the tiered system of (1) 20, (1) 15, (3) 10 if I am wrong let me know.

Let’s try to suggest cities and not oil fields or areas of major battles I’m sure some of these have merit but like Larry Harris I like the idea of cities being discussed around the war tables.

Remember that a city can be on the map that is not a VC.  So if you think a city was important during the war put does not merit VC status, let me know I will try to add it.

Something not up for debate, Total Cities

The max number is 30.  I know it is hard to choose, with so many great options out there. (It’s like being a kid in a candy store with a twenty dollar bill.)  But do try.

CURRENT LIST

National Capitals 20 point

US
San Francisco 15 point

10 point
Honolulu
Manila
Panama City

UK
Calcutta 15 point

10 point
Canberra
Cairo
Singapore

RUSSIA
Stalingrad 15 point

10 point
Leningrad
Baku
Vladivostok

GERMANY
Paris 15 point

10 point
Oslo
Warsaw
Budapest

ITALY
Athens 15 point

10 point
Tripoli
Addis Ababa
Palermo

JAPAN
Peiping 15 point

10 point
Okinawa
Seoul
Taipei

Territories
I feel we have discussed this at length and should be close to final.  If you want to see any additional changes let me know this week.

I did not get feed back on the Atlantic Islands. Like/Dislike? Needs more/less?

Imp, do you still have heartburn over Vichy?

Roads In or Out?

I am in favor of the rule I suggested (obviously).  How does the group feel?

Territories

I feel we have discussed this at length and should be close to final.  If you want to see any additional changes let me know this week.

I did not get feed back on the Atlantic Islands. Like/Dislike? Needs more/less?

Imp, do you still have heartburn over Vichy?

Roads In or Out?

I am in favor of the rule I suggested (obviously).  How does the group feel?

Well Yea i dont see why Vichy cant just be neutral rather than under german control and allowing germany to take the income. Making Vichy the same gray as germany is a total embarrasment to the reality.  In Aug 1942 Hitler attacked Vichy France and took (southern france, algeria, morroco, and Tunisia) all other Vichy territories were out of reach of Hitler.

I would prefer these roads only:

Burma road ( a route thru the mountains)
Siberian railroad ( along the stretch of SU)
Lend lease road in Persia ( connecting persian gulf to caucasus)
Alaskan highway (connecting it to USA)
A major rail to connect both sides of USA so units can do it in one movement.

Please try out my turn order. I think it will help you well.

When you post please have a nice PDF or Jpeg

Also the set up sheets should be on PDF… the file i got does not have the tops of the setup sheets.

Remember the Soviets and British invaded Persia in aug 1941 because of pro-axis government. They established a land route to get supplies to Russia.

Turn Order
Like I mentioned before some great suggestions have been posted to the thread on this topic.  I look forward to trying them when I find the time.

Due to the fact that these suggestions have not been play tested I am going to have to fall back onto the true and tested turn based method of A&A.  It’s just a rule set feel free to play the map anyway you like, but I will be putting one of the following onto the reference charts.  If we create a rule book for this variant other methods can be listed in it.

So please vote and let me know which option you like best.

A) Axis Aggressors

1. Germany
  2. Russia
  3. Japan
  4. United Kingdom
  5. Italy
  6. USA

B) A&A Classic plus 1

1. Russia
2. Germany
3. United Kingdom
4. Japan
5. United States
6. Italy

C) Europe and Pacific Theaters Separated

1. Germany
2. Russia
3. Italy
4. United Kingdom
5. Japan
6. United States

@Imperious:

I would prefer these roads only:

Burma road ( a route thru the mountains)
Siberian railroad ( along the stretch of SU)
Lend lease road in Persia ( connecting persian gulf to caucasus)
Alaskan highway (connecting it to USA)
A major rail to connect both sides of USA so units can do it in one movement.

I thought you were in favor of the strategic move rule?

I thought the Alaskan highway was put in in the 1960s?

-jim lee

I would prefer these roads only:

Burma road ( a route thru the mountains)
Siberian railroad ( along the stretch of SU)
Lend lease road in Persia ( connecting persian gulf to caucasus)
Alaskan highway (connecting it to USA)
A major rail to connect both sides of USA so units can do it in one movement.

I thought you were in favor of the strategic move rule?

Yea i am but i thought you guys werent gonna go for that since nobody responded to that suggestion. So i figured if your not going that way at least you would have something.

NIce roads
Alaskan highway was made in the 50’s and 60’s. If you want to add another road put in the Autobahn
Burma road is good, Siberian railway, good, Transcontinental RR, Good, If a African/ asia road is wanted, connect Egypt with Iran or India, but i think more then 1 new road will be to much.  My vote is for a road or railway in europe.

On the VC list;  Please change Budapest to Bucharest! Roumania was much more important then Hungary.

China is on the map, and played separate by the US, so replace Panama City with Chungking as a VC. There must be something to gain for the Japanese in their War with China.

On territories; Did you add the name of Corsica??  And maybe you can switch the IPC values of Abyssinia and Italian Somaliland, now that Abyssinia has a VC.

On roads,  Well I’m favouring strategic redeployment! But the roads could be used for Lend Lease rules. So IL’S list is OK.  This could also work great with the convoy boxes. Something like convoy routes.

Vichy France should be “pro-Axis” Neutral. Please not the color of Germany.

Oh yeah, forgot this;

@deepblue:

Turn Order
A) Axis Aggressors

   1. Germany
   2. Russia
   3. Japan
   4. United Kingdom
   5. Italy
   6. USA

From your list on Turn order this one is definitely the best! Germany before Russia, so Barbarossa will have a go. Japan before the UK  and US, and the UK before Italy, so Italian East Africa could be attacked…

However I still like this one best;

1. Germany/ Italy
2. Soviet Union
3. Japan
4. United Kingdom/ United States

Have it tested. It saves time and more realistic. Also add’s more team play.

@jim:

I thought the Alaskan highway was put in in the 1960s?

-jim lee

No, no…;

The road was originally built mostly by the US Army as a supply route during World War II. It was completed on the 28th of October 1942.

Micoom,

@Micoom:

On the VC list;  Please change Budapest to Bucharest! Roumania was much more important then Hungary.

This is fine by me.  Anyone have an issue with this change?

@Micoom:

China is on the map, and played separate by the US, so replace Panama City with Chungking as a VC. There must be something to gain for the Japanese in their War with China.

Good point, just one thought if China has its own army production, its own roundel.  Could it have its own VC?  Just a thought.

Give China a 10 point VC to defend on “its own”.

Thoughts?

@Micoom:

On territories; Did you add the name of Corsica??  And maybe you can switch the IPC values of Abyssinia and Italian Somaliland, now that Abyssinia has a VC.

Not yet, waiting to see how the Vichy debate turns out. (It is Vichy, don’t want to do the work twice.)

Hold onto the IPC thought till later.

Death Head 420,

If a road version is made, I will look into the Europe road/rail.

Craig,

Glad to see you back on the thread.  Thanks for the input.

The third draft has arrived!

Sorry for the delay, the file sharing service was down.  Can’t complain too much it’s free!

Gentlemen,

I have made the following changes from the second draft:

Added:
Portugal

Changed:
Date of map to June 1941 (Abyssinia and Italian Somaliland exception)
Baltic States, Western Russia, Eastern Ukraine, and Crimea are under Russian control.
Former sea zones 92, 93 and 107 have been combined.
Abyssinia and Italian Somaliland are now Italian.
Added Addis Ababa as the fifth VC for Italy.

Reminders:
When reviewing the map please consider both historical accuracy and game play.
The image has been reduced by 50% for faster downloads. (Makes it a little fuzzy)
Unfinished elements have been removed.
This is a work in progress.

http://www.mediafire.com/?33tytmjmgkk

I think roads in Europe are unnecessary, jut like they are not needed in the US. Roads and Railroads all over the place. No need to add them.

I will keep my thought on the IPC’s Also want change in Hungary and Rumania. And before had comments on the East Indies.

Why decided to not change Bellorussia and Western Ukraine to Russia? It is June 1941 at the start of Barbarossa… I think you should change this.

See: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/36/Operation_Barbarossa_corrected_border.png