AARHE: Phase 3: Income

precisely are you going for option 1 or option 2?

yeah dice roll during convoy player’s collect income turn

Kenya merely acts as a “supply” depot, collecting the resources from itself and all adjacent territories and shipping them out. Kenya’s Income could be transported via French West Africa if you wanted to make it a port, it will be able to collect 4 IPC’s that Kenya cannot “reach” in British Controlled Africa.

Ok so income CAN travel multiple land spaces before reach the sea.
And still no port restrictions right? That is, all sea shore territories can potential be a “port”.

um French Western Africa is not adjacent to Kenya

anyway
so you DON’T want income to able to travel more than 1 land space before going to the sea?

yeah ok income can only travel 1 land territories before entering the sea
(or maybe we could make it 2 land territories)

but I think we might have to dump the convoy “SZ” idea
and back to convoy “route”
ie all SZs on the route is “hitable”

I mean Australia has 4 paths which is shortest or shortest+1 SZs

Australia -> UK
9 via Med Sea
9 via South Africa
9 via Panama
8 via South America

I am up for all hittable, just give me a roll every time

this is about search roll before attack roll?
don’t see why we need it
just lower the change of the one roll

each hostile naval unit (but not transports) can hit on a 1…or maybe 2
2 IPC is destroyed
cant destroy more than the value of convoys going through the SZ of course

Once you starting heading inland you will have to buy IC’s, that will make for some interesting strats…

right, we’ll leave it at maximum of 1 land movement for sea bound convoys

Actually hitting on 1 is quite weak compared to OOB/LHTR.
Wasn’t it something like auto hit  1 IPC per German submarine?

Maybe we need to make it hit on a 3, or even auto hit 1 IPC.

Convoy

An IPC path consisting of sea zone(s) is a “Convoy”. IPC must enter the sea from the source territory or an adjacent territory. It may then travel to the destination via the minimal number of sea zone or one more sea zone. For example, Australia’s income to be spent at United Kingdom may only travel 8 or 9 sea zones.
Convoy are decided and recorded by the player at end of “Collect Income” phase. It is revealed at beginning of the player’s next “Collect Income” phase. Each hostile naval unit besides AP (transport) in a convoy sea zone may perform a convoy attack roll. 1 IPC of friendly convoys in that sea zone is destroyed on a roll of 3 or less. Damage allocation procedure is the same as team combat causality.

Convoy ships were not safe in the sea. Over 1500 allied ships were sunk in 1942 alone. 8300 US merchant mariners were killed at sea in WWII. Convoys are time consuming and the war economy depends on logistics planning, particular for UK and Japan. Due to reducing flexibility as convoys approach their destination, majority of sunken allied convoys were in North Atlantic.

supposedly not much “hiding” can be done
so make let convoy decisions remain secret for one round only

the website I got the statistics from
http://www.usmm.org/ww2.html
Germany often had advanced knowledge of ship movements through spies and interception of radio messages about planned convoy routes and cargoes, but even without that information, submarines would line up about 15 miles apart across the expected convoy route. The first to spot the convoy would fall in a few miles behind and signal for the rest of the “pack” to assemble for the night attacks. Groups of U-Boats would stage simultaneous attacks from several directions.

and for some OMG

By October 1942, when U.S. and British Air Forces finally bombed the submarine pens, they had been reinforced with 12 feet of reinforced concrete. The Allies dropped 40,000,000 pounds of bombs, lost over 100 planes, and not a single U-Boat was damaged.

Actually with this convoy thing we didn’t cover all cases.

UK player plans convoy to send IPC from Australia to India IC.
And then India falls to Japan during Axis turn.
What happens now?

Theres something subtly strange with the game sequence logics.
The collecting and spending of IPC.

Read the text for the two game phases, phase 1 and phase 2.

When do you declare saving and spending of IPC?

In phase 2: collect income we have…

Blockade
IPC (Industrial Production Certificates) to be stored must have a passable path from the territory to a capital under the player’s control. IPC to be spent must have a passable path from the source territory (or capital for stored IPC) to the Industrial Complex or Victory City. A passable path consists of territories your land units may go through and/or sea zones. A path consisting of sea zones is a “Convoy” and further restrictions apply. IPC not spent nor stored is forfeited.

But phase 2 is after phase 1, where we purchased already.

Maybe I am going crazy. Someone help me.

I try to think back and recall in playtesting the purchase and collect income phases tend to blur together.

@Imperious:

Who even came up with this?

Back in October, you said

@Imperious:

When you guys decide the convoy system post the entire idea as you want it in the rules. I dont have much time to figure it out.

so me and Gureilla Guy discussion for 2 pages and made this rule.
(hence this is all strange to you)

The old system was fine for Islands. (complete blockade with one ship or 1 IPC loss per ship or die rolling doesn’t matter)
But for continenent sea ports it seems not good enough. Its mainly about which sea port a territory’s IPC can use. Is the route allowed to go via sea-land-sea-land…

We’ll tune this convoy thing with your input.

Anyway…
The main thing was the game logics and problem I think I see whats wrong now.
Can we have Collect Income phase before Purchase phase?

The only reason why Collect Income is after Purchase is because the normal game setup you are given IPCs to start right?

@Imperious:

So basically all islands that are included INSIDE of a sea zone. You must control the sea zone or you dont get the income.

Thats fine. LHTR/OOB defines islands as a territory inside a sea zone. Australia, Japan, UK were never Islands.

Can we have Collect Income phase before Purchase phase

Yes sure lets go back. If enemy performs SBR then the income is reduced from the following turns income basis.

Actually…the “economic damage done to territory’s next collect income phase” is already in the draft.

Get rid of that convoy thing or have GG come up with a good argument why its needed. I think it burdens the system and is confusing.

Its not just Guerilla Guy I also thought its not enough.

But yeah we can get rid of convoy.

Instead of planning (writing down) sea trip of Australia’s IPCs for next turn…
you just look at the map at beginning of next turn and if UK is blocked by then you can send to India IC instead

you can force your way thru hostile sea zone, the “1 IPC for each non-AP sea unit hitting on 3 or less” thing

@Imperious:

can you tell me how that convoy thing works? I know your fixing blockade

Actually I was done with it.
The old system you need to plan and write down sea paths for next turn.
The new system you don’t.

I rephrase it a bit. Concise. Hopefully clearer.

Blockade
IPC to be stored must have an IPC path from the source territory to the destination capital.
IPC to be spent must have an IPC path from the source territory (or capital for stored IPC) to the destinatin territory.
An IPC path consists of territories your land units may go through and/or sea zones. Note Stalinist Xenophobia rule applies.
IPC not stored nor spent is forfeited.

Convoy
An IPC path consisting of sea zones is a "Convoy”. It enters the sea from the source or an adjacent territory. It then travel to the destination territory via the minimal number of sea zones or one more.
Each hostile naval unit besides AP (transport) in a convoy sea zone may perform a convoy attack roll. 1 IPC of friendly convoys in that sea zone is destroyed on a roll of 3 or less.