First, thanks for the mini game. I’ve learned a lot from it and this ongoing discussion. I think it has improved me as a player, and has given me new lines to study.
@andrewaagamer said in A Nameless but Effective China Strategy:
Really? The US contribution to the Pacific is 9 bombers and 2 subs? And then almost all of its income is going to the Atlantic on US3 going forward? How do you expect to control the Pacific?
- I said almost all. Also I’m not sure how to count duel use units. Example: I buy a US bomber intended for London that could be used in the Pacific if needed.
- That was specific to our fake game, but in general yeah. As long as Japan’s income is roughly on par with China + India + ANZAC, the US doesn’t need to add much to equalize things.
- To answer your questions - Yes. For the most part. Yes. Bombers, subs, & ANZAC. Looking closer at our fake game, I think Japan is beat:
- SZ6 is in check and convoy raids have started.
- Non US income was 40, Japan’s was 44 and falling.
- The IJN is scattered, well out of position, and only has 1 transport.
- Japan has 10 land units not stuck on islands or pinned in Korea.
I don’t see a path for Japan to get to 6 VCs in that situation.
I will give you this, your 4 bomber build on US1 keeps Japan from building a carrier on J2. That is all it does. Even with 9 bombers the Allies still don’t threaten a consolidated IJN. Especially as Japan continues to build carriers and land already existing aircraft on them.
The real dilemma for Japan is the UK fleet coming out of the Med and Russian air and ground troops streaming into China. While Japan will not be able to push into China, or most likely take India, their fleet will still be big enough to blow up either the smaller UK or US fleets which means both Allied fleets will have to stay on the periphery allowing Japan to control the Money Islands and keep Japan safe.
My fault. I wasn’t clear on my intentions: I want a naval battle. The Allied fleets aren’t staying on the periphery, they are closing a net around the IJN. I am looking for every opportunity to crash US planes into the IJN to soften it up for any British, ANZAC, French, & Russian forces that follow. The Allies can better afford replacements and an empty Pacific is a win for them.
And, as I said before, with that UK and Russian commitment to the Pacific Theater Moscow is toast.
FYI - The UK subs weren’t needed against Japan and went toward the Med. Most of the Russian forces in China can make it back to Moscow before G6. (Using the tanks in Hopei was one of several mistakes I made).
$26 for India? Where is that coming from? I can see maybe $11 (West India, India, Burma, Shan State and Sumatra)
$17 original + $4 Sumatra + $5 bonus. And actually its usually $29 - I forgot about FIC & Siam.
assuming you are trading Sumatra. Even with Russian help Japan is going to hold Kwantung and Malaya and with a larger fleet, at a minimum, trade for the Money Islands. With no US fleet to threaten Japan the IJN can camp out in the south.
I guess we are now talking about a different game because Japan never took Sumatra or Malaya in our fake game. Kwantung won’t hold out long with China & India coming for it - it will be out produced. Where exactly are you camping out in the south? That sounds like Java to me - I would consider Carolines the center. Any place in range of the Indian boats is a danger zone for the IJN.
Do you have a save game file with India collecting $26 that you would share with us?
Sorry no. I don’t keep the live game files that I play on TripleA. I could create one for you against the AI.
And I may have been off a turn or 2 with my turn 6 prediction, but long term Japan doesn’t have the land units to hold SE Asia.
I’ve been shocked at how well this seems to work. I get your reaction - I keep waiting for someone to do something new that proves to be a fatal flaw. Your response was the best I’ve seen so far, and could be viable long term with adjustments. It has at least made me make adjustments of my own. Bottom line is that this approach seems to work better than the current Allied approach.
