Possible new varients using the new bulge pieces?

From the new bulge game:

Battle of the Bulge has 4 new pieces. An American duce-and-a half, a German Opel truck, a 109 fighter and one hell of a cool revised Panther

Since now we get to use these extra pieces the question comes up to take what we get and create some modifications to AA d-Day and possibly revised axis and allies.

Also it has been brought up on other sites as to whether a D12 system could be installed into revised…

now lets look at what the new units are…

The americans and germans gets “trucks” not half tracks but trucks…

Germany gets a new tank but its a beefer version of the Panther

Germany gets a new plane a real fighter plane vs. the ju 87 from revised

To extropolate the units we have:

Mechanized Infantry-- this could represent mobile troops and smaller armor units, also guards or light armor units.

The tank could be “heavy Armor” or SS panzer units/ or panzer grenadiers

The new fighter can be Germanies fighter and the old revised ju87 could be a special ground support divebomber

also we have to input the units to fit the values for d6 first then possibly convert them to a d12 system.

but that would be for another post.

Peter you really need to participate in these forums more. Head over to house rules and give us a hand.

On Tekkys signature line he allways has the latest version of the rules.

AS far as bulge is concerned Im interested into turning it into the basic axis and allies system using all the new pieces and new markers. Thus ill keep the ammo and fuel counters and work them into the game to represent the limited ability to engage in movement and combat. I suspect all combat will be one round and thats it. I want to add tiger tanks and halftracks plus SS troops. I need some good NA’s exclusively for Germany and the allies. I have begun indirect work on this but will begin to commit my thoughts to paper and this site. AS you know i allready made a Bulge game last year and intend to use some of the best ideas from that and juice it up. Id like to make a simple card system for like random events. so like one card per turn.

repost these rules so we can sort them out and get to work.

This is another project for the upcoming bulge game. the system has to be totally different for this game.

Too complicated for strategic level game. Operational level games are a different matter and are necessary in some cases.

Ok here we go:

Germany
Volks Grenadier Infantry  1 hex
Fallscirm- Jager (Paratroopers)  1 hex (or by drop) 
Panzer Grenadier (mechanized Infantry) 2 hexes
Panzer Tank 3 hexes
Tank Destroyer (self propelled artillery)  2 hexes
Tiger Tank  2 hexes   
Artillery  1 hex
Heavy Artillery  1 hex
All Air Units  anywhere

American– British units
Infantry  1 hex
Airborne 1 hex (or by drop)
Mechanized Infantry  2 hexes
Tank unit  3 hexes
Tank Destroyer (self propelled artillery)  3 hexes
Artillery  1 hex
Heavy Artillery  1 hex
Anti-Tank Gun  1 hex
All Air Units  anywhere

Road bonus: .5 movement point. Movement along roads must be along the entire path from start to end or you pay according to other terrain. If moving legally along roads you simply ignore the terrain around the road hex.

Stacking limits
Each hex can be occupied by no more than four Allied ground units or six German units, while air units don’t count against these limits. During placement of new forces you can temporally exceed these limits but by the end of the movement phase all stacking restrictions must be observed. During combat retreats you cannot exceed the stacking restrictions at any time.

Tiger Tanks
These fearsome Tanks were easily superior to their Allied counterparts. In terms of armor protection and firepower they were the king of the battlefield. Each hit from a Tiger Tank must be assigned to enemy Tanks, followed by artillery units before any other unit is removed. Each Tiger Tank unit takes two hits to destroy. If it takes one hit it’s turned on its side. Tiger hits cannot be assigned unless the allocation has to go against armor or it’s the last type of unit left in the hex. If it’s not completely destroyed within the span of a single turn, its status is returned to normal and the unit is turned up. In some cases the action cards allow the Tigers to attack twice during a single combat phase.

Paratroopers:
Each Bomber can also drop up to two airborne units. This action removes the possibility of additional air missions. Each Airborne unit can only be dropped once per game, while the German player is limited to two normal drops during the entire game. One drop begins before the start of the game, so they only one additional drop of their choice. There is one action card which allows what would be yet another drop but only with this card. The drop can be within your own friendly lines or behind enemy lines not exceeding an eight hex range. The Allied player is limited to drops that fall within friendly hexes and cannot drop in enemy territory.

Air Missions
The availability air units depend upon the weather conditions for each turn. You may perform one of 5 missions for each air unit during each turn. Some missions such as Air Interception and Defensive Air Support (DAS) can be played during your opponents turn. In any case you may only perform one type of mission summarized as follows:

1)  Close Combat Ground Support Mission: Each fighter can use its attack factor to attack any group of enemy ground forces. Any hits that result are removed from play (defenders choice) and don’t get an opportunity to fire back.

2)  Defensive Air Support (DAS) Mission: If the enemy performs the above attack you as the defender can call up your own fighters and a round of aerial combat occurs. All plane hits are resolved and only allocated to participating involved air units. Additional hits can go against ground units.

3)  Air Interception Mission: This is similar to DAS except your defending fighters try to engage the enemy before it can move over its targeted hex. Roll one D6 and a result of 1-2 results in successful interception. If you have Jet Fighters this moves up to 1-3.

4. Air Interdiction Mission: Move any Bomber over any enemy occupied hex. The Bomber and any escorts (for protection from air interception) stay in the hex until the following turn. Any time any enemy unit decides to move outside this hex each has to suffer one D6 roll. A result of 1 destroys the unit, while 2-3 forces the unit from moving until the following movement phase. Example: a Tiger Tank that was stopped in the mechanized movement phase cannot move again until the following regular movement phase which falls on their next turn.

5. Carpet Bombing: Each Bomber moves on any enemy hex and rolls to attack. Any hits taken preemptively are removed (defenders choice) and the defending enemy units cannot fire on the Bomber (except Artillery units).

Combat Units

German Divisions:

SS Panzer Division (painted Black pieces)
2 Tiger Tank units
2 Panzer units
1 Tank Destroyer
3 Mechanized Infantry
1 Heavy Artillery

Panzer Lehr Division (Field Grey pieces)
4 Panzer units
1 Tiger tank units
2 Mechanized Infantry
1 Heavy Artillery
1 Artillery

Panzer Division
3 Panzer units
1 Tiger tank unit
2 Mechanized Infantry
1 Heavy Artillery
1 Artillery

Panzer Grenadier Division
4 Mechanized Infantry
2 Panzer units
1 Artillery

Mechanized Brigade
1 Tiger Tank unit
1 Mechanized Infantry
1 Heavy Artillery

Volks-Grenadier Division (Infantry Division)
4 Infantry units
1 Artillery

Volks-Grenadier Regiment
2 Infantry units

Fallscirm- Jager (Paratrooper Division)
4 Infantry units

Volkswerfer Brigades
2 Neberwerfer Rocket units

American/ British Divisions:
Armored Division
2 Tank units
1 Anti-Tank Gun
2 Mechanized Infantry
1 Heavy Artillery
1 Artillery

Armored Brigade
1 Tank unit
1 Tank Destroyer
1 Heavy Artillery

Infantry Division
4 Infantry units
1 Artillery unit

Airborne Division
4 Infantry units

revised OOB germans:

German Forces:
(All placed in eastern arrival hexes)

At Start German OOB:

6th SS panzer Army- Sepp Dietrich

LXVII Army corps
272 VG Infantry division

1st SS Panzer corps
277th VG Infantry division
12th VG Infantry division
1st SS Panzer division
12th SS Panzer division
3rd Airborne Division (Fallschirmjager)
150th Panzer Brigade

5th Panzer Army: Manteuffel
LXVI Army corps
18th VG Infantry Division
62nd Infantry division

LVIII Panzer Corps
560 VG Infantry division
116th Panzer Division

XLVII Panzer corps
2nd Panzer division
Panzer Lehr Division
26th VG Infantry division

7th Army-Brandenberger

LXXXV Army corps
5th Airborne Division (Fallschirmjager)
352 VG Infantry division

LXXX Army corps
212 VG Infantry division

American and British Forces: at start

American OOB:
1st army-Gen. Hodges
V corps: Gen. Gerow
78th Infantry division
99th Infantry division
2nd Infantry division
102nd Armored Brigade

VIII corps: Gen. Middleton
106th Infantry division
28th Infantry division
4th Infantry division
9th Armored division

note: use the player cards for the bulge game for reinforcements. I cant see how accurate it is so its hard to speculate on what to do.

German Forces:
Unit Type Movement Attack Defense Notes

Tiger Tank 2 9 9 Takes 2 hits, attacks are preemptive  against enemy Tanks first
Panzer tank 3 6 7
Panzer Grenadier
(Mechanized Infantry) 3 4 6
Tank Destroyer 2 7 8 All hits go against enemy armor first
Volks- Grenadier 1 2 4
Fallscirm- Jager (airborne) 1 5 5
Artillery 1 4 4 1  Hex range
Heavy Artillery 1 6 4 2 Hex range
Neberwerfer Rocket 1  + +  +/1 Hex range, each enemy rolls one d6 1=hit, 2-3= unit shocked.
Fighters any 6 8
Jet Fighter any 6x2 10 No interception
Bomber any 8 2 Preemptive attack, ground forces cannot fire back (except Artillery)
Jet Bomber any 6 9 No interception

Allied Forces:
Unit Type Movement Attack Defense Notes

Tank 3 4 3
Mechanized Infantry 2 3 3
Tank Destroyer 3 4 3 All hits go against enemy armor first
Anti -Tank Gun 1 3 2 All hits go against enemy armor first
Airborne 1 2 2
Artillery 1 2 2 1  Hex range
Heavy Artillery 1 4 2 2 Hex range
Fighters any 2 3
Bomber any 3 2 Preemptive attack, ground forces cannot fire back (except Artillery)

all combat is one round duration. all air combat occurs first. if any extra planes are availible they can go against land targets. only artillery can hit planes.

Artillery Guns Anti-Air Defense
Artillery (both regular and heavy Artillery) units may fire at each air unit entering or flying across the air space of its territory during attacking combat movement. Each defending artillery unit rolls against each plane and a result of a 1 on a D12 results in a hit. The maximum number of Artillery units that can roll against planes in this fashion is limited to two. Note: each plane is rolled separately by type and can only be attacked preemptively. Example: 2 Allied Bombers and 2 Fighters attack a hex with German forces including one Artillery unit. The two Bombers are rolled together, yielding results of 3 and 5 (both misses). Next two fighters are rolled with results of 1 and 2 (one hit). One fighter is destroyed with the remaining planes able to perform their combat mission. Remember: each defending Artillery unit has one first shot attack at each air unit. Losses are removed immediately before the air units’ fire back. Attacks by the surviving planes can then proceed in the normal fashion.

I will adjust values for d12 dice. Note: allies not finished.

still need some good supply rules but i need more information on the OOB supply rules. might just use them.

each ammo chit allows one combat action
each fuel drum chit allows one hex of units to move full movement

germany starts with x number of chits in each catagory

allies do not have a limit but some limit on combat actions.

use OOB air power rules but add some rules for jet power say one plane for germany is jet.

also need some optional rocket rules V weapons:

V-2 Rockets
Allow the German player to conduct one V-2 attack per turn. This may be in addition to a similar event from an action card. The attack can be conducted into any Allied hex and each ground unit rolls with 1-2 counted as a hit, 3-4 unit is “suppressed” and cannot move that turn , and 5-6 no effect. The German player has six such attacks per game. Attacks can also be conducted against Allied fuel depots again hitting on a 1-2.

Jet Power
Allow the German player to substitute up to two of his daily air power allocations for one Jet fighter (Me-262) and one Jet Bomber (Ar-234) each turn till the end of the game. They can “save” this allotment until a specific turn and launch the balance of what was withheld until a turn of their choosing. Air Interception missions cannot be performed against Jet planes. They also cannot conduct Paratrooper drops. During aerial combat each Jet Fighter rolls twice against enemy planes. Secondly, allow the Allied player one Jet Fighter (Gloucester Meteor) each turn which performs like any other fighter except it can also avoid all enemy air interceptions.

using jet power may involve using additional air units for allies.