Tutor game: trulpen (X) vs Avner [and everyone else] (A+23) BM3

Avner

110 could have been better … elsewhere fine

I would do the NCMs like this …

trulpen

@avner said in Tutor game: trulpen (X) vs Avner [and everyone else] (A+23) BM3:

110 could have been better … elsewhere fine

I would do the NCMs like this …

Sub hero! :turtle:

I’ll hold with any analysis until you’ve finalized the turn.

Avner

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.1.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
        1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 artillery moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 fighter moved from Philippines to Guam
        1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Central United States to Hawaiian Islands
        1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        2 carriers and 1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 101 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
        1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
        1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Yunnan

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Yunnan
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Yunnan, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
            Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
        1 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan
        2 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi

    Place Units - Chinese
        4 infantry placed in Szechwan

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 9 PUs; end with 9 PUs
        Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 12 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 factory_minor, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia
        1 fighter moved from Scotland to 97 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
        1 armour moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Scotland to 110 Sea Zone

    Combat - British
        Battle in Ethiopia
            British attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Italians defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 cruiser in Ethiopia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Ethiopia, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Ethiopia, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Italians, 2 infantry owned by the Italians and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Ethiopia
            British win, taking Ethiopia from Italians with 1 armour and 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
        Battle in 110 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 destroyer and 3 fighters
            Germans defend with 1 battleship and 1 submarine
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 3 fighters in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 battleship owned by the Germans, 1 destroyer owned by the British, 1 submarine owned by the Germans and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone
            British win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
            Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship and 1 submarine
        Battle in 96 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
            Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 fighter in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 fighter in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
                1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
            British win with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
            Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
        Battle in 97 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Italians defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/6 hits, 3,17 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Italians, 1 cruiser owned by the Italians, 1 battleship owned by the Italians and 1 submarine owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
            British win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 33
            Casualties for British: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
        1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
        1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
        1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
        1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from West India to 79 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 79 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
              British take Persia from Neutral_Allies
        1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        3 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Burma
        3 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
        2 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to Iceland
        1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 111 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
        1 mech_infantry moved from United Kingdom to Eire
              British take Eire from Neutral_Allies
        1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta

    Place Units - British
        4 infantry placed in United Kingdom
        1 mech_infantry placed in Union of South Africa
        1 factory_minor placed in Egypt

    Turn Complete - British
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 119 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 106 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,5,1,1
        British collect 29 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 29 PUs
        Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 32 PUs
        Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 35 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs
        Some Units in India change ownership: 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 1,17
Italians regular : 0,17
Japanese regular : 1,00
Germans regular : 1,17
British regular : 1,83

Savegame

Avner

Done!

:)

FlyingBadger

@avner said in Tutor game: trulpen (X) vs Avner [and everyone else] (A+20) BM3:

here I am (the weekend are not very operational)

I would say to try in the BM3 version

As a BID I usually assign it to the UK…

Definitely a fig in Scotland and a sub in sz 98… There remains room for an artillery in Sudan (to eliminate the Duke of Aosta from the Duce’s undertaking).

Giving all the bid to the Brits would be how I would go

Avner

@flyingbadger said in Tutor game: trulpen (X) vs Avner [and everyone else] (A+23) BM3:

Giving all the bid to the Brits would be how I would go

I think with greater BID something to anzac or china …

wait italian :) now

Avner

Surrender?

(ahahaha) :P

trulpen

@avner said in Tutor game: trulpen (X) vs Avner [and everyone else] (A+23) BM3:

Surrender?

(ahahaha) :P

Hehe, not likely. I will try and get my head around it. Feel I have to give a proper analysis before proceeding.

trulpen

This is a big combined turn for the Allies and it will get worse.

US built good units of fleet and has positioned itself wisely in Pearl Harbor.

China managed to take back Yunnan, which is important, although at some cost.

UK built a mIC in Cairo, which can sometimes be a mistake. After a successful Taranto and ethipian crush, it should however be rather safe. Might be a problem of pushing away the italians from Alexandria at first, but on the otherhand it will be done in time.

Taranto is however a sacrifice for both sides. The british ships in the Med are likely toast, so both nations will be stunted. Perhaps Italy is worse off, but we’ll see for the continuance.

Italy now has a choice of activating Vichy. It will likely be done, since the short-term advantages are pretty awesome. Also, only one major naval battle can be executed, and I’d prefer to try and scuttle the fleet from z97 since it’s a nasty convoy zone. One advantage here is that the ac can’t soak a hit without leaving the fig hanging without space to land in. That’s a good retreat option if the battle doesn’t develop accordingly to the odds or better, which makes the battle even more of a good choice.

It would be great to grab Greece, but it’s a rather uncertain battle since all air is needed in z97. Might soften the greeks for the german onslaught though.

There’ll be no attack on the cr in z98, since it can be taken care of by the Luftwaffe and Italy can’t afford to dilute its forces.

Because of the uncertainties on the waters, I need to build a des for all eventualities since UK can still hit the remains with atleast 4 air.

trulpen

Also, it was a good move to move the fleet to z123. Supporting it with 2 figs was also necessary, since it may be attacked by 3 sub, 2 sb. Although slightly out of place, it is safe there and will rejoin the heat in a couple of turns.

One alternative would’ve been to take out the 2 subs in z106, but it would probably mean no Taranto since preferably a des, cr, fig and sb should’ve taken it on.

trulpenplay

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 1

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.1.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Politics - Italians
        Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Normandy Bordeaux
              Italians take Normandy Bordeaux from French
        1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
              Italians take Kenya from British
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in 97 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
            British defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2,50 expected hits

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -0,83

Savegame

trulpen

Decided on attacking Alexandria after all. Few land units in the counter-attack decided the move. It’s slightly risky, but with the help of german air it should be safe even if losing 1 inf. Considering only 2 tac will be needed for Greece, so 3 fig, 1 tac are able to support the stack.

Anyway, only 2 hits in z97. Casualties?

trulpen

Should be more clear about Greece. There’s also the german attack on z95. This means 1 tac, 2 sb will help with Greece, while 3 fig, 1 tac will attack z95, securing that atleast 4 air may land in Alexandria.

trulpen

@trulpen said in Tutor game: trulpen (X) vs Avner [and everyone else] (A+23) BM3:

Should be more clear about Greece. There’s also the german attack on z95*. This means 1 tac, 2 sb will help with Greece, while 3 fig, 1 tac will attack z95*, securing that atleast 4 air may land in Alexandria.

*z96

Avner

@trulpen

the fleet is dead anyway, so I would say to apply the best possible defense … first hit on the CV and then the DD

Avner

@avner said in Tutor game: trulpen (X) vs Avner [and everyone else] (A+23) BM3:

@trulpen

the fleet is dead anyway, so I would say to apply the best possible defense … first hit on the CV and then the DD

No wait I meant the opposite … DD and cruiser

Avner

The fleet is doomed but in the event of an Italian withdrawal I might not immediately lose the fighter. I didn’t explain myself well :)

trulpen

It’s a wise choice.

trulpenplay

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.1.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Politics - Italians
        Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Normandy Bordeaux
              Italians take Normandy Bordeaux from French
        1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
              Italians take Kenya from British
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in 97 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
            British defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2,50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
                Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the British
                Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 : 4/5 hits, 2,50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 carrier in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 fighter in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the British and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
            Italians win, taking 97 Sea Zone from British with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 46
            Casualties for British: 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
        Battle in Alexandria
            Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Alexandria, round 2 : 0/6 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Alexandria, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Alexandria, round 3 : 3/6 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Alexandria, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Alexandria
            Italians win, taking Alexandria from British with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 artillery moved from Libya to Tobruk
        2 infantry moved from Albania to Bulgaria
        1 armour moved from Albania to Slovakia Hungary
        1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Albania
        2 aaGuns moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
        2 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
        1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy

    Place Units - Italians
        1 destroyer placed in 97 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 72 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6
        Italians collect 12 PUs; end with 14 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 1,00
British regular : -3,50

Savegame

trulpen

Ok, for once the italians didn’t mess up.

No need to hit the cr since the Med-NO would not be activated anyway because of the fleet at Toulon. Perhaps Italy can achieve it next turn instead. Getting rid of the fleet in z97 was great news for Mussolini, who now heavily depends on the support from his dear friend in the north.

Tutor game: trulpen (X) vs Avner [and everyone else] (A+23) BM3

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 1

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 1

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 1

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