@Ragnell804 you’ll need to remove the Russian arty, my bad
Good Cap(Allies) Vs Colonel S & Cap N(Axis) Anniversary 41
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@The_Good_Captain @Colonel_Sanders Would those 2 German infantry going to Egypt instead, be a good compromise? Where would you like those 2 infantry, @Colonel_Sanders, if you can’t have them in Trans-Jordan? Maybe @The_Good_Captain would allow you to move them elsewhere, entirely, as you’ve had a couple turns misunderstanding the rule. I’d like to avoid scrapping the game, because we didn’t know a rule, but that is up to the two of you.
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For the record, I thought the same as my teammate. But the rule reads clear to me, assuming you are quoting correctly, that the two of us had the rule wrong.
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@Colonel_Sanders @CaptainNapalm
I posted this in the first game thread, but here is the source again:
https://axisallies.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/axis-allies-rules-anniversary-corrections-faqs.pdfAlso, I’ve posted about the lack of this optional rule in the TripleA map setup: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/35563/triplea-a-request-from-a-player-to-a-designer
…so hopefully one of the TripleA guys releases a fix in the future.Concerning our game, I don’t feel this can be fairly repaired easily or at all. It appears all of us are playing pretty immaculately and the amount of German infantry in that space (or lack thereof) has some pretty massive implications for either side.
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Thanks for clearly explaining the rules and backing them up with your sources captain. I have played with the dardanelles straight being open to all units or closed to all units, but I have always treated it as 2 separate sea zones on each side of the straight. It’s a bit of a revelation to see this optional rule outlined as such in the FAQ. I was originally of the opinion to concede the game to you after coming to terms with this rule as you have played a great game so far. (I admit when you bought tanks and a fighter in russia followed by 2 factories for Britain our first game I thought you were gonna be a punter. Instead you have shown me some strategies that I have never seen with the allies that enriches my understanding of the game.) I will concede the game if you wish but after conferring with my teammate I have another proposal for you.
How do you feel about letting Germany redo its last turn and resuming the game.
All though not necessary I also request that you let me sub out the recently purchased italian destroyer for 2 infantry and and 2 ipc as that was all part of the naval strategy that hinged on controlling jordan for a turn. No worries if you aren’t inclined to agree to this.
Lastly I’ve never been accused of playing an immaculate game and I’m not sure how to take that as I feel I’ve already made a bunch of mistakes this time around. Thanks though :)
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This might clear up some of the confusion. The Triple A map is just poorly drawn. The actual map breaks the sea zone at the straits.
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Well, I don’t actually know where the straits are, but at least the sea zone seems more clear.
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Yes the board does make it more clear. I pulled up my old spring 1942 board- that map is a bit more similar to the website and is the source of my familiarity with the house rule of dividing it into 2 sea zones. It does clearly show it as a single sea zone I will concede, i suppose I’m just used to playing the with southeast portion of that sea space as usable regardless of the straits.
Bit of a shame to abandon the game at this point. If you don’t want to try to salvage it somehow I could be up for a rematch- not sure what else to offer…
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*southwest portion of the sea zone
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@Colonel_Sanders we just need to wait to see his response. There is no reason not to redo Germany’s turn. And changing Italy’s destroyer buy, is just if @The_Good_Captain is feeling generous.
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@CaptainNapalm @Colonel_Sanders
Well, I suppose I’m okay with refiring the game from the end of USA 2, i.e. start up from G3 as colonel sanders mentioned. There weren’t a lot of huge battles since that point, mostly just territorial exchanges. If that’s not too awkward for all concerned, I could roll with that.
Alternatively, I have no problem doing a full reboot. “Third times the charm.”
I feel both of you have the correct openers and purchases for each Axis power on turn 1. This is my 6th playing of 1941. Most of the time I played the Axis and had the same openers as you. In the game previous to playing these with you guys, one of my opponents said, “I guess you can’t stop Japan from taking India if they really want it.” And a few of his AnA pals agreed.
Obviously I disagreed but I needed to test it. I was/am using these games to test the feasibility of holding India. As a secondary goal, I’m trying to see what optional rules create the best balance without having to use houserules or a bid. And since you guys clearly aren’t “punters” either, I’m game for as many games as you like lol
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fyi my offer was just to redo germanys 4th turn but I am fine picking the game up starting with germanys 3rd turn. I have a few items to do in the next hr but will proceed with this if there are no objections.
Interesting to hear you usually have played the axis GC. I would be interested in your opinion as to what optional rules make a balanced game out of this version. I was under the impression that the normal rules slightly favor the allies and closing the turkish straight seems to play more into the allies favor. I have always had an affinity for the “smash and grab” style of the axis but do enjoy playing the allies as well.
Lastly I would like to apologize to any punters who may read this and be offended by my previous off hand comments. hehehe
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No, I don’t want to go back an entire game round. Just redo Germany’s last turn, where they did the illegal move.
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@Colonel_Sanders @CaptainNapalm to roll it back one turn as opposed to one round will funk the game up pretty good though.
i.e. Colonel is still in a position he wouldn’t have put himself in… pffff. Iono…okay…sounds like you guys really wanna keep rolling along. Just let me know whatever you guys wanna do and I’ll go along for “shts and giggles” at this point, haha.
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ok so it sounds like the closest thing to a consensus is for me to just redo g4. I’ll just live with the italian destroyer as a bit of a penalty for this whole fiasco.
thanks for accommodating me here as it seems my not understanding this optional rule has caused this whole issue.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v3 1941, version: 1.7.0
Game History
Round: 4 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 aaGun, 2 armour and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Belorussia 1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Karelia S.S.R. Germans take Karelia S.S.R. from Russians 1 artillery moved from East Poland to Ukraine 1 bomber moved from Germany to Ukraine 1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Belorussia 1 infantry moved from Bulgaria Romania to Ukraine 1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Belorussia 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan Combat - Germans Battle in Ukraine Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine Germans win, taking Ukraine from Russians with 1 artillery and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Belorussia Germans attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia retreated to Belorussia Russians win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 3 armour moved from Germany to France 3 infantry moved from Germany to France 1 fighter moved from Baltic States to France 1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Italy 1 infantry moved from Bulgaria Romania to East Poland 2 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 2 infantry moved from Baltic States to Karelia S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Karelia S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 6 armour moved from East Poland to Karelia S.S.R. 1 bomber moved from Ukraine to Germany 2 armour moved from East Poland to Karelia S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from Germany to France 1 fighter moved from Belorussia to East Poland 1 fighter moved from Belorussia to Germany 1 artillery moved from Poland to East Poland Place Units - Germans 1 aaGun, 2 armour and 7 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 31 PUs; end with 31 PUs Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Germany: 1 aaGun EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to France: 1 aaGun EDIT: Turning off Edit ModeCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : 1.33 Germans regular : -1.50 -
@Colonel_Sanders I would prefer we fix the italian bit as well. can you restate exactly what needs to be edited for Italy?
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Interesting to hear you usually have played the axis GC. I would be interested in your opinion as to what optional rules make a balanced game out of this version. I was under the impression that the normal rules slightly favor the allies and closing the turkish straight seems to play more into the allies favor. I have always had an affinity for the “smash and grab” style of the axis but do enjoy playing the allies as well.
@Colonel_Sanders For the moment I feel that the National Objectives may favor the Axis, same for SZ 16 being open.
That’s just seems to be the consensus from others on the forums, other opponents of mine, and my impression in the first two games I played. After removing those two optional rules, it seems more competitive to me overall but I haven’t stacked enough games to insist on anything.
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All though not necessary I also request that you let me sub out the recently purchased italian destroyer for 2 infantry and and 2 ipc as that was all part of the naval strategy that hinged on controlling jordan for a turn. No worries if you aren’t inclined to agree to this.
just this, ya?
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yes- 2 inf and 2 ipc for italy instead of the destroyer for italy- if its too hard to adjust ipcs id take 1 inf and tank instead. thx
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