Hi @trulpen.
So, I have read your e-mails and I totally understand how it was so easy to make that mistake. In fact, I was making the same mistake. When I saw you build your minor IC with Germany I was like “Ah, he is going to build a carrier there next Turn”. So, I get the mistake and why it happened; especially since this is a new game for both of us.
As you know I do not believe in edits. I think that we all make mistakes in the game and it is not your Opponent’s job to let you fix your mistakes. However, after being on this site a bit I saw that edits are very common here so I, with majikforce’s input and assistance, came up with what I felt was a very fair and relaxed edit policy that hopefully others would like and that I could live with. I have posted that Edit Policy before. I did that for three reasons 1) to increase the chances people would play with me because majikforce felt if I insisted on no edits at all it would reduce the number of people who would play with me 2) to have a set, fair, consistent and stated edit policy to avoid arguments over edits which I abhor and 3) to make sure I was not taken advantage of.
1 is simple enough. I want to play with people. I want to have fun and I want them to have fun. If people feel I am too rigid with no edits at all then I will not get to play with them and if there is a relaxed edit policy that makes them happy that I can live with then why not.
2 is the most important reason to me. I am not here for conflict or to argue. I am here to have fun. I stress out over edits when people ask me to make edits. I always feel that I am the “bad guy” for not granting an edit request and why should that be? They are the ones making the mistake and asking for an edit not me. By having no edits or a simple and consistent edit policy there is no room for arguments. It either is an allowed edit or it is not. That removes the stress for me.
3 Is more of an attempt on my part for a level playing field. Since I will not ask for an edit since I feel it is my mistake and I must live with it in my previous online gaming experience I found I was constantly being taken advantage of. I would make mistakes and never ask for an edit and then my Opponents would make a mistake and argue with me or say I was being unfair by not allowing their edit. This caused me great stress and anxiety and was the reason I stopped playing online. I do not want that to happen again which is why I want a simple, consistent and fair edit policy to live by.
Looking at that edit policy, below, any edits in this case are not allowed. Both A and B have occurred. I posted the ANZAC Turn and Germany conducted rolled combat before any edit request was made. In addition, the Forgotten Unit clause is not applicable because you admit you did not even realize the error until you went to place the purchased units.
a) Once a combat roll is made no edits of any kind before the combat roll occurred are allowed with one exception. Forgotten Units. A “Forgotten Unit” is a unit that never moved during that Power’s Turn and that unit unequivocally and without any doubt was just forgotten to be moved and that the requested edited move is obviously the intended move if the unit had not been forgotten. Any doubt, no matter how small, voids this exception. Including any potential gain of knowledge received due to dice rolls.
b) Once Opponent B has posted in any format a portion of their current Turn no edits of Opponent A’s previous Turns are allowed. This includes “Forgotten Units”.
c) Any Edit necessary to fix an illegal move. Such as flying a plane over a Neutral into combat. Not unloading combat ground troops picked up during the Combat Move phase from a transport during an Amphibious Attack. Not placing all possible units during the Mobilize New Units phase.
So unfortunately, no edits would be allowed at this time. And I mean unfortunately. It would be nice if this were not an official League game because then we could just blow it off and allow any edits. But it is an official game. And for me it is very important to be consistent and fair in my edit requests to avoid the stress that comes if I do not. To make sure I am always fair and consistent in my edit policy I have to always have the same answer for any edit whether I am ahead or behind in a game, whether it makes a difference or not, or whether I like my opponent or not. None of those can matter. If I take anything but the actual edit into account that makes me a hypocrite and opens me up to the should I or should I not allow this edit game that is just a) not something my personal integrity will allow and b) just too damn stressful for me.
I like you. You and surfer and majikforce have been the most agreeable and enjoyable players I have met on this site and it bothers me greatly to have to say no to this edit request. I worry that you might be unhappy about it and not want to play with me anymore. Especially since we have been doing our Tutor game together. Yet how can I live with myself if I allow you an edit based on that and not other people? It is a position I do not want to be in and it bothers me greatly. It bothers me so much that last night around 2am when I saw your first post when I got up to get a drink of water I could not stop thinking about it. (Bad habit of mine to check my messages before I go back to bed.) I literally could not fall back to sleep for another 90 minutes, last time I looked at the clock, thinking about this. I have now spent another 120 minutes formulating this response and that is 3.5 hours I really cannot spare. I am so busy right now it is not even funny. I have too much work, too much going on in my personal life and too many games going on. I really should not have joined your Tournament but majikforce asked me and he is such a nice guy I could not say no.
I am spending the time talking about this because I do care. If I did not I could have just taken one minute to say “Nope not allowed.” But I am hoping that you will understand why I am being this way and understanding why it is important to me. While you may not see it as important I do.
Let me provide an example. I have come to realize that taking a Turn within 72 hours is important to you. Due to being busy I missed some time and could not get to a Turn and you bumped me. We talked about it and I told you it was because I was busy and not due to ignoring the game and you said you would be more lenient going forward. Yet recently barely after three days went by you again bumped me. Now I could have gotten upset with “Geez why is he doing that we talked about this” and instead I said to myself “Okay taking a Turn is really important to Trulpen so I need to do a better job and make sure I take a Turn every two days to meet his expectations of what is important.” I realize since it is important to you I need to make it important to me too even though normally it is not important to me. In a recent game with Omega1759 he went 9 days without taking a Turn. I IM’d him to see when he was going to go and he said he would within 24 hours and he did. I did not bump him even after 10 days though I will say if he had not replied to my IM I would have. The point I am trying to make is edits may not be a big deal to you but they are to me so please be understanding.
Finally, and you say geez about time Andrew, let me state if the positions were reversed I would not have asked for an edit. Knowing the rules is the responsibility of the Player. Any mistake made by that Player because of that are still mistakes and not the responsibility of the Opponent to fix. And I have another very recent example of this. In my one and only game of BM3 against ksmckay he was the Allies and on UK1 he got very unlucky and failed to kill the Italian destroyer in SZ 96. In all my years of playing when the Allies fail in this attack the Allies ended up losing assuming competent play by the Axis. That was apparently his experience too as he immediately conceded. Then another player pointed out, rightly, that my experience in BM3 was so limited that he might still be able to beat me so he rescinded his concession and we played on.
Now I cleaned his clock on the Europe side of the board and took Moscow on G6 but due to my BM3 inexperience I made multiple errors on the Pacific side of the board and while I had the game well in hand things were not looking good in the Pacific so I decided to revise my strategy and shorten the game by taking the IJN and air force out of the Pacific and into the Indian Ocean to attack the Middle East and Egypt to finish the game early. While that was successful ksmckay was desperately trying to get one victory city back on the Europe side but was failing in that endeavor and suddenly he moved virtually the entire US forces into the Pacific.
Now I am sitting there looking at the map and going “Why the heck did he move everything into the Pacific?” I mean it made no sense to me and I know ksmckay was a competent player so there had to be a reason to do it. The only reason I could come up with was he wanted to take Tokyo and what difference would that make? A moral victory? “Yeah I lost but I took Tokyo!” I did not believe that could be the only reason so I went back and reread the rules for BM3 and of course, you already know this, I found out that if Tokyo or Berlin falls then the Victory City requirements increase by one on the other side of the board. I did not know this. I made a mistake abandoning the Pacific to speed up the game. Worse yet on the Japan Turn just before the US went I bought 3 fighters for Japan instead of 10 infantry because I did not know that taking Tokyo mattered. Now once he went with the US I could have asked for an edit of my last Japan purchase since I did not know the rule and when ksmckay and I talked about it he even said he was guessing I didn’t know that rule but I didn’t ask for an edit because it was not ksmckay’s fault I did not know the rules so why should he be denied his opportunity due to my mistake?
Luckily for me I was able to reduce his 35% chance of taking Tokyo down to 8% by flying some German bombers that just happened to be close enough to get there in two Turns before the US invaded Japan. Of course, I was only able to do that because I figured out why he was doing what he was doing. And I did win the game because his attack failed.
Okay sorry about the really long post. I hope it helps you understand why I am responding the way I am and you feel comfortable with the resolution. Looking forward to playing more games with you in the future I do like you and enjoy our games.
