france goes first handicapping system or balancing mechanic

@hengst If this feels too strong for the Allies, move the SZ 96 cruiser & destroyer to SZ 81. Otherwise, it forces the UK to choose between prosecuting the war against Italy & liberating the Vichy boats. If they don’t turn them all Free French, they may have a serious issue on their hands on G2. Similarly, it forces Germany to decide: do I want to kill French ships or force the UK to make a play for them.

After that, France will be a very minor yet present actor in the campaign for North Africa & eventually the retaking of Europe. If the UK ensure to liberate Syria, they may also fight in the defense of Cairo.

I haven’t seen somebody gamble on a Vietnam play, but that is also possibly in the cards.

Hi @nishav

I use Factory Limited from the Redesign Thread. I find them to work well.

“FactoryLimited” Air and Naval Bases now cost 12. All captured and newly constructed Minor Factories may only produce Artillery, AAguns, Armor, Mech Infantry, Mobile Infantry, Marines, Elite and Infantry. If a NB is present you may also build Subs, Transports, Escort Carriers and Destroyers. If an AB is present you may also build Fighters and Tac Bombers.

ABs are required to build Fighters, Tac Bombers, Bombers and Air Transports. Bombers and Air Transports may only be built in Factories on originally owned Territories that also have an AB. In addition, Bombers and Air Transports may not be built in the following territories: Kwangtung, Egypt, Norway, Alaska, West India and Korea. May not build at an AB with 3 or more damage.

NBs are required to build all Naval Units. BBs, CVs and CAs may only be built in Territories with originally owned starting Factories. These Territories must also have a NB (Need not be original NB). May not build at a NB with 3 or more damage.

So similar to what you’ve suggested. Basically the Big Guns can only be built in original major factories.

Let``s start a game, go ahead and set a form up
i am a beginner to.
i bet 20 on allies

@magnum I’m not yet convinced that letting them pick what they want, and potentially the same thing, is a problem. If anything, this will give them the opportunity to try out different strategies, involving research, and see how they work.

Okay so I that title sounds kinda clickbait-y and I apologize for that. To get it said and done, no I don’t think France should be scrapped entirely replaced with Britain or something. I just think that as is, it needs way more to be an actual nation worth having a person play if you have a lot of people while still being balanced. So we all know that 99% of the time, France is gonna fall on the first turn to Germany. Maybe they pull some weird new mega brain ultra plan but that’s pretty unlikely. Paris falls, Germany gets cash money and the French are left playing the most minor and conservative support role known to man.
This really sucks for you when you first pick up the game and think maybe there’s gonna be some interesting new faction with special rules like China but instead you’re just a stepping stone. So here’s what I would suggest:

Instead of having just France it be France and a collection of the other minor allied powers in exile. So France, Dutch, Poland, etc. Change Congo to this new faction and place an infantry down there. Maybe one infantry in Indonesia and one in Indo China, an extra fighter in Britain, and maybe a Transport in either the Atlantic or Med.
But that still isn’t really much of an improvement for the player, so similarly to China I would say that the exiled Allies should get some special way of recruiting units. It’d be very small like at the end of every turn roll a die and if you roll a one you can place one infantry down in any territory of yours worth at least one IPC. While I do want to make it more interesting for the exiled Allies player, I don’t want to make them too powerful to significantly hurt the Axis. To counteract this maybe make a few territories they own worth an extra IPC? They won’t be making money once Paris falls and a few more IPCs I think would add up to a rough equivalence. Territories like Normandy, Indochina, Tunis, etc.

I’m not gonna pretend like I’ve actually tested this yet and I’m also fully admitting that I might be accidentally suggesting some horrible completely unbalanced idea that would throw it to the Allies. But this is just a little idea I thought up to try and help make things slightly more fun for the poor French player. Is this a good idea? Am I a big dumb-dumb? (Those are not mutually exclusive.) I really want to know your guys’ thoughts on this before I actually try it or anything I could do to change or fine tune it so please let me know!

G40 France Strikes Back

This is a rule for our G40 mode that we are testing, in order to make France a little more relevant in the game, but we think any one can use it .

The Rule:

1- Once Paris is taken by the axis, the treasure of France passes to the enemy, as in OOB rules.
2- Automatically, the de facto capital of France is London, France will be able to add new IPC at the end of its turn, as any nation does.
Note: There is no Vichy vs Free France dynamic. France is a single entity, and it maintains the mechanics of the game simple, and without requiring the purchase or painting of new pieces.
3- France can buy and place infantry in any original territory on the map.
4- France can buy equipment in London, and place it right there, land, sea, air; but, cannot place new infantry in London. France can buy technology dice, ports and airports, for its original territories
5-France cannot produce units in industrial complexes that captures from the enemy, in this case the complexes will take full damage. France cannot buy industrial complexes.
Note: in the territory of France, the same applies, unless France or the allies take parís.
6- If parís is free, it merges into the capital of France again, France will return to the rules of OOB.
7- If Paris is retaken, a second time, the money passes to the conqueror (subsequent reconquests will have the same dynamics). And the capital of France will pass London again, unless it is taken by the enemy.
8-If London is taken by the enemy, and is the de facto capital of France, the IPCs of the two are delivered to the conqueror.

Balance: we have found that in some occasions Italy will have more pressure in North Africa. To counter this, we believe that this rule for Italy should be used to.

Italy Lean-lease: During WW2, Germany sold or licensed equipment to its allies, especially Italy.
1- During its non-combat face, Germany can send to the north of Italy any air unit or ground machines (except infantry) for sale. A maximum of 2 per round.
2- Italy in its face of purchases can buy at half price, the German units on loan. The money is delivered to Germany.
Units are immediately replaced by Italian equivalents for immediate use.

Restrictions: Infantry and ships cannot be sold. Berlin must be in the hands of the axis, northern Italy must be in control of Italy.
Note: If Rome falls, this rule still works, if italy had warbonus tec. In this case, dice need to by the number to pay.

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See the current tested rules of our mod, here:
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/33074/g40-historial-v1-1?lang=es&page=1

Our videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRZntU00ooZQX6KTb3gbKgg

I really like the idea of 1 IPC per valueless allied pacific island. I am going to propose that to the group I play with, because we are always looking for a way to balance the game, but at the same time try to keep it as close to OOB as possible.

What we have been doing for several games, and it is working well, is this:

Play “cry uncle” - so no Victory City win condition for Axis.
Germany not allowed to build factories in original German controlled territories.
USA can do whatever they want in the European theater only, right away in turn one.

Well i choose another way to make my map.

I bought a world map (4 x 6). -$30.00-

I repainted the territories with oil paint except the ocean ( Because the ocean has the proper blue color) -$10 for the oil paint-
Than I recovered the whole map with a clear self-adhesive vinyl to protect the map and bingo!

AL.