Comparing Iraq 2005 with Germany 1945

Unfortunately it was lost after the hacking attack, but we had given a link to original records of the US-occupational forces, which listed all crimes etc. for quite some time in Germany. It showed that most crimes were hunger- and coldness-related. The people were tired of the fighting and did not continue it. The Werewolves were a plan of the Nazis that failed and did not happen to any significant amount, means they were negligible.

It showed that most crimes were hunger- and coldness-related.

It’s a shame that Hitler didn’t surrender earlier.  That could have been avoided.  Unfortunetaly, Germany didn’t surrender and brought on itself all the hardships thereafter.

Although the Marsha plan did restore Germany after the war.  I wonder where Germany would have been without America saving it from total Soviet occupation.Â

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@Rune:

Although the Marsha plan did restore Germany after the war.  I wonder where Germany would have been without America saving it from total Soviet occupation.

Newer analyses of economists have shown that he impact of the Marshall plan was minimal apart from a psychological effect. It was more of a propaganda show than real help.

Without Germany declaring War on the cowardous US which wouldn’t dare to enter the war on their own, we probably would have won. So, you didn’t save us from total soviet occupation, you introduced the threat of total soviet occupation.
I wonder how many problems the US has solved that would never have been problems had the US not existed the first place.

PS: If you think that characterising the population of a nation by an adjective with a semi-appropriate reasoning to explain that characterisation is “insulting”, you might wonder what the rest of world thinks of you if one of your kind calls a billion of people “fuckers”.

Without Germany declaring War on the cowardous US which wouldn’t dare to enter the war on their own, we probably would have won. So, you didn’t save us from total soviet occupation, you introduced the threat of total soviet occupation.
I wonder how many problems the US has solved that would never have been problems had the US not existed the first place.

so now you wish the US hadnt entered the war, so that the Nazis could have won? because if not, then there is no point to this whole thing other than to be an a**hole, which you seem to confirm with:

PS: If you think that characterising the population of a nation by an adjective with a semi-appropriate reasoning to explain that characterisation is “insulting”, you might wonder what the rest of world thinks of you if one of your kind calls a billion of people “fuckers”.

Falk wrote:

Without Germany declaring War on the cowardous US which wouldn’t dare to enter the war on their own, we probably would have won. So, you didn’t save us from total soviet occupation, you introduced the threat of total soviet occupation.
I wonder how many problems the US has solved that would never have been problems had the US not existed the first place.

Not try to stir anything up, but why do you consider the US at that time cowards?

Also, I seriously doubt Germany would have been able to beat Russia had the US stayed out of the war.  The aid the US provided to Russia through lend/lease was minimal and not really needed by Russia.  Before the US/UK were able to open a second front in Italy, Russia was already pushing the Nazi forces back.  Russian production of men and war materials alone (not counting the UK or US) quickly grew to become larger than the production by Germany and the quality of these wasn’t that bad either.  The Germans in fact copied many ideas from the Soviet tanks in the later years of the war.  Considering that an estimated 7/8 of the entire German war effort was put to the Eastern front, I don’t think the full 100% would have made a difference (not that that was even possible considering Germany started the Russian assualt at war with the UK).

Once Germany failed to enter Moscow in the initial assualt it was all over because Russia was a much larger country… Germany tried to decapitate a sleeping bear and having failed to do so, only enraged it…and Stalin was never known to show much mercy.  Hence the Soviet occupation was guaranteed, only mitigated by the presence of the US and UK troops.  Now had Germany taken Moscow the story could have been different, but this was decided well before the US involvement.

And finally, I don’t think the German occupation of Czechoslovakia, Poland, Belgium, Norway and France, not to mention the holocaust, was not a problem…regardless of the presence or absence of the USA.

Now I know you are kind of…irritated … by some of the other comments from other posters lately.  But your statements are equally inflammatory.  If you want to sling mud just the same as the other posters that is your right, but it doesn’t make you look very good IMO.

@Janus1:

Without Germany declaring War on the cowardous US which wouldn’t dare to enter the war on their own, we probably would have won. So, you didn’t save us from total soviet occupation, you introduced the threat of total soviet occupation.
I wonder how many problems the US has solved that would never have been problems had the US not existed the first place.

so now you wish the US hadnt entered the war, so that the Nazis could have won? because if not, then there is no point to this whole thing other than to be an a**hole, which you seem to confirm with:

you seem to be using the second quote to guide you in your interpretation of the first. 
Also - i do disagree with F_alk in that i am not so certain that his statement is true.  I believe that the Canadian war machine would have been enough to help Britain and the USSR to ultimately defeat Germany, however it would have taken a fair bit more time with brutal results.  At the same time, at the end of these things, there is little doubt that the USSR would have covered the vast (VAST) majority of the third reich’s lands and i imagine the low countries as well.  Still, i do see F_alk’s point in that the Marshall plan looks more like just another way to “contain communism” without having been that effective at much else.

PS: If you think that characterising the population of a nation by an adjective with a semi-appropriate reasoning to explain that characterisation is “insulting”, you might wonder what the rest of world thinks of you if one of your kind calls a billion of people “fuckers”.

the sad fact that Yanny refers to this type of thinking as commonplace in the US is something that should horrify intelligent USans.  Great pain if continue down this road you do, i see . . . .

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the sad fact that Yanny refers to this type of thinking as commonplace in the US is something that should horrify intelligent USans.  Great pain if continue down this road you do, i see . . . .

I strongly agree…

you seem to be using the second quote to guide you in your interpretation of the first.

no, it seems to confirm my interpretation of the first. i dont think he really is supporting Hitler, and wishing that we had stayed out so that the nazis could win. i think he is trying to be inflammatory, in response to ignorant viewpoints. like baker said, its his right if he wants to, but its more than a little hypocritical to be so outraged at the ignorant viewpoints of some, and then purposely post something inflammatory, whether he believes it or not (some of what he says im not entirely convinced he doesnt believe, and some im pretty sure he does believe).

the sad fact that Yanny refers to this type of thinking as commonplace in the US is something that should horrify intelligent USans.  Great pain if continue down this road you do, i see . . . .

of course it does. but commonplace or not, i think you cant prohibit this kind of speech just because its inflammatory. yes, i realize that i have argued that inciting a crime is not protected speech. now, im not sure what the legal requirement is for something to be considered “inciting a crime”, but i dont think marine’s comments qualify. thats a judgement call, and i may in fact be wrong, but considering 1) im not sure hes sincere, or whether hes just trying to be inflammatory 2) i dont think he actually intends any action, and 3) im fairly certain that no one on this board, if they did believe him to be sincere will actually take action in the manner he wants. this is opinion, like i said, i dont know the legal requirements for it to be unprotected speech. as to the opinion being commonplace: there are ignorant people everywhere. you can never convince them all. and resorting to their level is dangerous. theres an adage “never argue with a fool. he drags you down to his level, then beats you with experience.” like yanny said, civil discourse, or ignore him. besides, if we start locking every thread in which something inflammatory is said, we will have a lot of locked threads, and people will just start getting frustrated. and marine is not the only perpetrator of this <cough><cough>> Still, i do see F_alk’s point in that the Marshall plan looks more like just another way to “contain communism” without having been that effective at much else.

perhaps, but that was his point in an earlier post, not the one i was quoting. also, while it may ultimately have had limited success, the marshall plan was certainly intended for more than to simply “contain communism”.</cough></cough>

@cystic:

I believe that the Canadian war machine would have been enough to help Britain and the USSR to ultimately defeat Germany, however it would have taken a fair bit more time with brutal results.

What war machine???  The Snowbirds???

@Imperious:

but honestly its just a colony of england

Well, since the Head of State for Canada IS the Queen of England…

@Imperious:

I believe that the Canadian war machine would have been enough to help Britain and the USSR to ultimately defeat Germany

I laugh at this as well… but i dont want to rain on his parade. Canada helped the efforts to fight Hitler, but honestly its just a colony of england and Churchill’s final fall back position if Hitler took out Britain in 1940-41. Other than that they made little difference when compared to UK and America’s efforts. While the western allies made respectively much smaller sacrifices compared to the Soviet Union.

i was being somewhat facitious, but your knowledge of WWII history is sucking pretty badly.  At the end of the war we had the world’s third largest navy and the 4-5th largest army.  Also you have ignored the impacts of Juno, Dieppe, the RCAF, our part in securing Italy and the low countries in addition to our efforts in France, nevermind the massive mobilization of supplies to a well blockaded island country.

CC,

While I was being facetious in my “snowbirds” comment as well, like it or not, the actions of Canada in WWII are lumped in with the UK and all of the rest of their former Empire that still held the King/Queen of England as their Head of State.

Sorry, but outside of Canada, that is the reality.

In India I am sure they read about the brave contribution of India in the fight for Burma, and the Aussies I am sure teach their kids about the powerful Australian forces that pushed Japan back int he days before the US entered the Pacific war.  But outside of those nations, it is still the US, UK, and Russia (perhaps France, but THAT is a joke) against Germany and Japan (and Italy is the joke on the Axis side).

And don;t blame it on me that when Canada went “independent”, they only went part-way, and still have the UK Royals on their money.

@ncscswitch:

CC,

While I was being facetious in my “snowbirds” comment as well, like it or not, the actions of Canada in WWII are lumped in with the UK and all of the rest of their former Empire that still held the King/Queen of England as their Head of State.Â

Sorry, but outside of Canada, that is the reality.

In India I am sure they read about the brave contribution of India in the fight for Burma, and the Aussies I am sure teach their kids about the powerful Australian forces that pushed Japan back int he days before the US entered the Pacific war.  But outside of those nations, it is still the US, UK, and Russia (perhaps France, but THAT is a joke) against Germany and Japan (and Italy is the joke on the Axis side).

And don;t blame it on me that when Canada went “independent”, they only went part-way, and still have the UK Royals on their money.

if you honestly think that the UK could have lasted alone against Germany without Canadian support, you have to give your head a shake.  Also - Juno beach was the only allied position where all objectives were acheived by allied forces.  Do you know anything about D-Day??  Do you know anything aside from the US contribution to the war?