Supreme map for 1941

@Playing-Kid said in Axis & Allies 1941 Trivia:

@CWO-Marc Found the video you were talking about. Here’s the link, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmBo8q0akGo

Great, thanks for the link! That video is a classic.

@Red:

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I attack German Held West Russia with all units from Karelia, Archangel and the Tanks and fighter from Russia and Caucasus

Say after 1 round of attack, I have killed two German Infantry leaving 1.   I want to retreat after reducing the enemy force concentration.

The rules read that all units must withdraw to one friendly place.  I choose Archangel.  
So the infantry are then done moving having used 1 movement to the attack. (And since I committed everyone from Karelia, the space is now empty).

The tanks should still have 1 movement available each so I could move them to Russia?  The Fighter has 3 movement so I could place it at Russia or Caucasus?

Just trying to understand the movement rules for retreating.  not saying I like the attack scenario itself!

@Bob77:

All the units would retreat together, to a territory where they came from.
Since you had units in the attack from archangel, you may choose archangel. BUT all retreating units must go to archangel, tanks and fighters too.
If you had the same scenario, but had amphibious troops as well, the amphibious troops may not retreat but all others may go to archangel.

From the rulebook:

@rulebook:

Condition B�Attacker Retreats
The attacker (never the defender) can retreat during this step.
Land and Sea Units: Move all attacking land and sea units in that combat that are along the battle strip to a single adjacent
friendly space from or through which at least one of the original attacking land or sea units moved. In the case of sea units,
that space must have been friendly at the start of the turn. All such units must retreat together to the same space, regardless of
where they came from.

Air Units: Retreating air units remain in the contested space temporarily. They complete their retreat movement during the
Noncombat Move phase using the same rules as air units involved in a successful battle.

So remaining land units retreat together to a single adjacent friendly space from or through which at least one of the original attacking land unit came from.

Air units retreat independently during Non Combat Move Phase being allowed to use all their remaining movement points,

so yes to
@Red:

The Fighter has 3 movement so I could place it at Russia or Caucasus?

but no to
@Red:

The tanks should still have 1 movement available each so I could move them to Russia?

as no unit - except air units - may move during as well Combat Move Phase as Noncombat Move Phase.

@HansOop:

I think I know the answer to my own question and the answer is I have no option but to engage in dice battle and to either keep battling or retreat back to where I came from.

Right, the purpose of the Combat Move Phase is to move into hostile territories to either initiate combat (against hostile units) or just capture the territory (in case there are no enemy combat units present).

Welcome to the forum  :-)

@Sir_Cala:

A submarine either attacks or submerge.

If it attacks and hits a unit with a surprise strike with no destroyer present. The ship that is chosen to be hit does not defend and is removed from the battle board. Exceptions are Battleships. They take 2 hits and the second hit removes of the battleboard.
Repeat steps 2-7 if combat continues.

If a submarine submerges it is not involved in any sea battle.

so is that to say that if a sub scores a hit with a surprise attack it destroys whatever unit it hits, with the exception of battle ships which would need to be hit by two surprise attacks? cause battle ships have a defence of 4

General Combat Sequence
Combat takes place over a number of rounds. Each battle round consists of several steps.
1. Place units along the battle strip
2. Submarine surprise strike or submerge (sea battles only)
3. Attacking units fire
4. Defending units fire
5. Remove defender�s casualties
6. Press attack or retreat
7. Conclude combat

step 2.
submarine surprise strike or submerge (sea Battles only)
This step is specific to attacking and defending submarines.
Before the general sea battle takes place (steps 3�5), both attacking and defending submarines choose to either make a
Surprise Strike die roll or submerge. However, if your opponent has a destroyer in the battle, your attacking or defending
submarines cannot submerge or make a Surprise Strike. Combat proceeds normally, and your submarines fire along with your
other units in step 3 or 4.
Submerge: Attacking or defending submarines that choose to submerge are immediately removed from the battle strip and
returned to the game board in the contested sea zone, removing them from the rest of that sea battle.
Players on both sides have to decide whether attacking and defending submarines will fire or submerge before rolling any dice.
The attacking player decides first.
Surprise Strike: Each attacking submarine conducting a Surprise Strike rolls one die, scoring a hit on a roll of �2� or less.
After the attacker has rolled for all attacking submarines, the defender chooses one sea unit for each hit scored and moves it
behind the casualty strip. (Submarines cannot hit air units.) Then each defending submarine conducting a Surprise Strike rolls
one die, scoring a hit on a roll of �1.� After the defender has rolled for all defending submarines, the attacker chooses one sea
unit for each hit scored and removes it from play.
Once all Surprise Strike rolls have been made, remove the defender�s casualties. This step is over for this round of
combat. Repeat this step during each round of combat as long as there are attacking and/or defending submarines and no
opposing destroyers. Any hits made during this step that do not destroy units (such as battleships) remain in effect until the
end of the combat.
Note: In both cases, attacking or defending, transports can be chosen as casualties only if there are no other eligible units.
You cannot choose submerged submarines as casualties since they have been removed from the battle.

@DarthShizNit:

Pfft what? If Russia is always falling on turn 3 you might just need to rework your strategy (don’t let the AI play as Russia). I’ve had games where Russia not only survived by thrived, pushing Germany back to the gates or Berlin. It’s all about knowing the ground, the battles to fight and those not to fight. Also, send more fighters from UK :D

yeah invade Norway with your 3 infantry in Karelia and then land your spitfires from England there lol. But i do find that i have to abandon Caucus, i’ve found a good strat is too attack the Ukraine and west Russia, then Germany has to send more troops to the eastern Front. And you should be planning an invasion of Europe to thin the Germans. Also if you have a few fighters and a bomber in Finland/Norway then you can directly bomb Germany.

@toblerone77:

Totally get where you’re at Hobbes. I’m just sayin that as far as bang for the buck a first edition 1942 outshines 1941 hands down and at less cost. I have all three games anyway plus two copies of Spring 1942. Its just an observation I made after purchase.

Spring 42 1st Ed. is one of the best A&A games IMO since I rather play the smaller games. My main gripe with it is really the map design, specially in Europe. If it’s cheap than 1941 take it. Specially if you’re a piece fanatic ;)

I never took you for an ageist!
Color me disappointed.

@Lozmoid:

The day we start getting cardboard counters for combat units will be the day most us stop buying A&A games!Â

It would also be a throwback to the original Nova Games version of A&A, which used flat counters.