Subs vs transports

AK_Grown

This got brought up in our game on Saturday.

Russia had a sub sitting in SZ125 (Archangel bonus) - Germany took 3 transports from Denmark over the top and landed in Leningrad. Our Russia player was pissed, stating that subs should be able to get a free shot on non-escorted transports…the whole point of subs in the war and so forth. We stated that if subs could act as defenders like that, what would be the point in buying destroyers. We also pointed out that Japan makes moves like that with UK/Anz/US subs. Still not pleased with it we continued on (Ally win eventually, I got bogged down with Japan and UK launch failed by Germany, losing everything).

If a regular ship can choose to forgo combat with a sub, why couldn’t transports? What says the forum? I checked the Alpha+3 rules and couldn’t find anything that stated subs get a free shot, the Russian player stated it was like that in the old rules (PAC rules?)

For Cow: J1 was the most fun I’ve had playing Japan (we actually did it). The UK player said that seeing it and the defense was the most fun he’s had playing UK. Even though I screwed the pooch around round 4, it will probably become my go-to for Japan.

ghr2

Subs can be ignored by any and all ships, including transports. The only time where subs alone can really stop something, is if you have un-escorted transports doing an amph assault in the SAME seazone as hostile subs. The transports cant do a landing then.

On a slightly different note, can subs and transports prevent naval bombards if the navy wants to attack them aswell? I know they can be ignored for the shore shots, just can u kill them too?

Eqqman

@ghr2:

On a slightly different note, can subs and transports prevent naval bombards if the navy wants to attack them aswell? I know they can be ignored for the shore shots, just can u kill them too?

If Subs or Transports are getting attacked, then a battle has occurred in the SZ, which negates all shore bombardments vs. any adjacent coastal territories that are being invaded.

@The OP- your game description makes it seem like your group might be unclear on how the Lend-Lease NO for the USSR works. You don’t have to keep an Allied unit in SZ125 to get the bonus, you just need to make sure no Axis warships are present there.

AK_Grown

@The OP- your game description makes it seem like your group might be unclear on how the Lend-Lease NO for the USSR works. You don’t have to keep an Allied unit in SZ125 to get the bonus, you just need to make sure no Axis warships are present there.

We know about that one - most Russian players just keep the sub there for some reason. I guess for the possible defense when a destroyer/plane go to take it out to cut the bonus.

Subs can be ignored by any and all ships, including transports. The only time where subs alone can really stop something, is if you have un-escorted transports doing an amph assault in the SAME seazone as hostile subs. The transports cant do a landing then.

That is what we found.

Its like transports - you can choose to destroy them, or ignore them.

variance

In an earlier version of the game (OOB or alpha.something) the sub would get a pot shot at passing trasnports, but they changed that rule. Now the transport can pass but can’t unload from a zone where there is a sub unless it is escorted by a ship. I guess you could tell your Russia player that the subs in z125 are busy convoy raiding merchant traffic in the sea zone instead of the military transports you sent to hit Leningrad.

Most people leave the Russian sub there to convoy raid Norway but its not a part of the NO.

rmcbride

We know about that one - most Russian players just keep the sub there for some reason. I guess for the possible defense when a destroyer/plane go to take it out to cut the bonus.
The Russian sub is usually kept there, as Variance said, for the purpose of Convoying Norway / Germany. Kind of a little Russian jab that just sits there, taking 2-3 ipc’s per turn, until Germany does something about it.

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