Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2)

@Gamerman01:

1. Yes.  Page 37, Europe 2nd edition manual, under USA.  If Japan makes an UNPROVOKED attack on UK or ANZAC, the USA can then declare war on any and all Axis powers.  If UK or ANZ attacks or Declares on Japan before Japan attacks, then the USA would have to wait until the end of round 3 to declare, unless one of the three Axis powers attacked the USA or declared on USA directly.

2. Yes.  Strategic and tactical bombers get to attack on a 1 in air to air combat.  Page 17 of Europe 2nd edition manual.  Bullet point one says attacking bombers and fighters are a part of the battle.  Bullet point three says all air units have attack and defense values of 1.  Krieghund has confirmed that bombers means tactical and strategic, both.
   Of course, strategic and tactical bombers of the defender cannot be used, only fighters can defend.  But attacking tactical and strategic bombers all get to fire on a 1.

Also: the US is not immediately brought into the war by the unprovoked attack on uk/Anzac.  It remains neutral until the US turn when the US can finally declare war.

@kcdzim:

Also: the US is not immediately brought into the war by the unprovoked attack on uk/Anzac.  It remains neutral until the US turn when the US can finally declare war.

Yes, that’s why I said “the USA can then declare war”.  Declarations of war only happen at the beginning of your own turn.

War is only immediate when an enemy declares war on you directly.  When conditions are met, you always wait until your turn to declare war, like Russia on Euro-Axis or Japan making an attack on UK or ANZ.

You say “finally”, but USA goes immediately after Japan.  We’re not playing the original anymore…

@Gamerman01:

You say “finally”, but USA goes immediately after Japan.  We’re not playing the original anymore…

Well, despite the fact that this may be the .2 FAQ, there is still holdovers and people who read this but play OOB .1 so I just wanted to reiterate that attacking uk/Anzac doesn’t immediately bring them into the war- it merely opens the door on their turn.

So airbases and minor ics on china territories… the minor ics go poof right?

Correct.  Also worth noting, China is not allowed to repair damaged air and naval bases.

Guys,

––I’m marking this thread for reference purposes. Thanks.

“Tall Paul”

@Tall:

Guys,

––I’m marking this thread for reference purposes. Thanks.

“Tall Paul”

The dot didn’t do it?  :-)

#1. Germany has a submarine, a destroyer, and an empty air craft carrier which is being attacked by 3 british fighters. The attacking British fighters hit once and the defending German surface warships hit once…… can Germany use the sub as a casualty, considering that they have a destroyer present?

#2. Germany has entered a sea zone containing one enemy submarine with one loaded transport for the purpose of conducting an amphibious assault. Can Germany’s transport ignore the Submarine and land their troops safely into an adjacent hostile territory?

#3. Japan conducts an amphibious assault on Hawaii with 10 aircraft carriers, 20 carrier based planes, and 10 fully loaded transports, while Hawaii has 1 American Fighter. Japan needs the carriers to legally land all 20 air units which have been assigned to the land battle, so America scrambles it’s single Fighter from their operational air base and sinks up to $500 in Japanese units while landing their fighter safely on land. Is this true or false?

#1.  No.  UK must have a destroyer in order for its planes to hit subs.

#2.  If there is at least one German warship in the sea zone at the end of combat movement, yes; otherwise, no.

#3.  False.  The US fighter will be safe, but the surviving Japanese ships can retreat after one round of combat.  Of course, all of Japan’s planes will be lost, having nowhere to land.

@Young:

#3. Japan conducts an amphibious assault on Hawaii with 10 aircraft carriers, 20 carrier based planes, and 10 fully loaded transports, while Hawaii has 1 American Fighter. Japan needs the carriers to legally land all 20 air units which have been assigned to the land battle, so America scrambles it’s single Fighter from their operational air base and sinks up to $500 in Japanese units while landing their fighter safely on land. Is this true or false?

@Krieghund:

#3.  False.  The US fighter will be safe, but the surviving Japanese ships can retreat after one round of combat.  Of course, all of Japan’s planes will be lost, having nowhere to land.

Krieghund, confused here. I know in retreat all units would retreat to the same space/sz in a direction from which at least one of them came from. (so all the ships would retreat back one space). The 20 air units were involved in a different battle on land (not the same sea battle as the ships). That land battle didn’t happen because the 1 ftr scrambled to the sea, so the air units wouldn’t be retreating would they. If they had movement points left (2 moves), they could reach the carriers couldn’t they.

Of course the moral of the story is to cover the scramble ability of your enemy, especially when you are in a position to over kill.

@WILD:

If they had movement points left (2 moves), they could reach the carriers couldn’t they.

Yes, they could.  However, from the wording of the original question (“Japan needs the carriers to legally land all 20 air units”), I assumed that they had only one movement point left.  Perhaps that was an invalid assumption, as it was not stated that they needed to be in that particular sea zone.

Ok cool, thought I missed something

@Krieghund:

@WILD:

If they had movement points left (2 moves), they could reach the carriers couldn’t they.

Yes, they could.  However, from the wording of the original question (“Japan needs the carriers to legally land all 20 air units”), I assumed that they had only one movement point left.  Perhaps that was an invalid assumption, as it was not stated that they needed to be in that particular sea zone.

So there can be a retreat even if the attacker stated that it would be an amphibious assault? I thought retreats were not allowed during amphibious assaults.

Land units cannot retreat from an amphibious assault once landed.  This is a retreat from a naval battle.  The amphibious assault never happened.

@moralecheck:

Land units cannot retreat from an amphibious assault once landed.  This is a retreat from a naval battle.  The amphibious assault never happened.

OK Great… Thanks.

There WOULD be a battle in Hawaii even though the hypothetical fighter scrambled and defended against 10 carriers which had no attack value.
The fighters are required to attack for at least one round, even though the amphibious ground units didn’t make it to the party.

So in this example, where the attacker clearly didn’t understand the rules or made a big oversight, the fighter scrambles.
I’m assuming, like Krieghund did, that the fighters over Hawaii only have 1 movement point left.
Retreating the carriers from the fighter (because it’s a losing proposition) would save the carriers and transports and ground units (at least until USA’s turn!).  They would all have to retreat 1 space to a sea zone along a path that they attacked from.
The 20 fighters over Hawaii are doomed because there is no landing space, so the attacker should attack until all attacking or all defending units are destroyed.

Wild Bill is mistaken in saying the land battle wouldn’t happen.  The battle in Hawaii MUST happen (at least for one full round) because the attacker legally made a combat move of 20 fighters to Hawaii.  It’s only the attacking amphibious ground units that will not be attacking Hawaii, but retreating and staying on their transport(s).

@Gamerman01:

There WOULD be a battle in Hawaii even though the hypothetical fighter scrambled and defended against 10 carriers which had no attack value.
The fighters are required to attack for at least one round, even though the amphibious ground units didn’t make it to the party.

So in this example, where the attacker clearly didn’t understand the rules or made a big oversight, the fighter scrambles.
I’m assuming, like Krieghund did, that the fighters over Hawaii only have 1 movement point left.
Retreating the carriers from the fighter (because it’s a losing proposition) would save the carriers and transports and ground units (at least until USA’s turn!).  They would all have to retreat 1 space to a sea zone along a path that they attacked from.
The 20 fighters over Hawaii are doomed because there is no landing space, so the attacker should attack until all attacking or all defending units are destroyed.

Wild Bill is mistaken in saying the land battle wouldn’t happen.  The battle in Hawaii MUST happen (at least for one full round) because the attacker legally made a combat move of 20 fighters to Hawaii.  It’s only the attacking amphibious ground units that will not be attacking Hawaii, but retreating and staying on their transport(s).

So what you’re saying is, after the lone Fighter on Hawaii has scrambled and defended the sea zone for at least one combat round (forcing the naval units to retreat). The 20 Japanese air units that were assigned to the land battle in Hawaii (but will eventually crash after combat)…. will get a chance to kill the single American fighter once it returns home after scrambling during the same resolve combat phase?

No, I’m not saying that.

The American fighter is out in Z26.  Scrambled fighters and tacs don’t land until all combat is complete.

I’m saying the 20 Japanese fighters can (must, for one round) attack everything else that is still left behind at Hawaii.  If there are other tacs or fighters, the USA player may want to scramble them as well to protect them from the 20 fighters (depending on the amount of USA force on Hawaii)

@Gamerman01:

No, I’m not saying that.

The American fighter is out in Z26.  Scrambled fighters and tacs don’t land until all combat is complete.

I’m saying the 20 Japanese fighters can (must, for one round) attack everything else that is still left behind at Hawaii.  If there are other tacs or fighters, the USA player may want to scramble them as well to protect them from the 20 fighters (depending on the amount of USA force on Hawaii)

Agreed, the original scenario said that there was only one American Fighter on Hawaii (which scrambled)… but if there was more there, the air units could engage them before they crash.

Hi.
I don’t really understand rule about kamikaze.
What if USA attacks me (Japan).

1. do i have to declare kamikaze attack and scrambling simultaneously or one of these goes first?

2. if i hit an AC does his fighters still participate in fight?
   AC are in that sz because attacking aircraft’s must land on it.
   If yes - do they fight till end or must they be removed first as losses?
   If no - are planes dead or they can stay in there original position before combat moves?
   thanx