BotA U-505 vs. Pug

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :19

Combat Move - France
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines moved from Brittany to SZ34
            1 Barque, 2 Battleships, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines moved from SZ34 to SZ30
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines moved from SZ30 to Leinster
            2 Grenadierss moved from Oporto to Alemtejo
            1 Cuirassiers, 1 Dragoons, 7 Horse_Artillerys and 5 Hussarss moved from Leon to Alemtejo
            6 Fusilierss and 3 Howitzers moved from Oporto to Alemtejo
            1 Hussars moved from Cologne to Hollande
                  France take Hollande from AustrianEmpire
            1 Hussars moved from Hollande to Hanovre
            3 Fusilierss and 3 Howitzers moved from Cologne to Hanovre
            2 Corvettes moved from SZ35 to SZ26
            1 Corvette moved from SZ35 to SZ28
                  France take SZ28 from UnitedKingdom

Purchase Units - France
            France buy 1 Chasseurs, 1 Corvette, 1 Cutter and 6 Fusilierss; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - France
            Battle in SZ26
                France attack with 2 Corvettes
                UnitedKingdom defend with 1 Cutter
                    France roll dice for 2 Corvettes in SZ26, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 Cutter owned by the UnitedKingdom lost in SZ26
                France win with 2 Corvettes remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Cutter
            Battle in Leinster
                France attack with 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines
                UnitedKingdom defend with 1 Fusiliers
                    France roll dice for 2 Battleships in Leinster, round 1 :  2/1 hits
                    1 Fusiliers owned by the UnitedKingdom lost in Leinster
                France win, taking Leinster from UnitedKingdom with 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Fusiliers
            Battle in Hanovre
                France attack with 3 Fusilierss, 3 Howitzers and 1 Hussars
                UnitedKingdom defend with 1 Fortress and 3 Mortella_Towers
                    France roll dice for 3 Fusilierss, 3 Howitzers and 1 Hussars in Hanovre, round 1 :  2/1 hits
                    UnitedKingdom roll dice for 1 Fortress and 3 Mortella_Towers in Hanovre, round 1 :  2/1 hits
                    1 Howitzer owned by the France , 1 Hussars owned by the France and 2 Mortella_Towers owned by the UnitedKingdom lost in Hanovre
                    France roll dice for 3 Fusilierss and 2 Howitzers in Hanovre, round 2 :  2/1 hits
                    UnitedKingdom roll dice for 1 Fortress and 1 Mortella_Tower in Hanovre, round 2 :  1/0 hits
                    1 Howitzer owned by the France , 1 Fortress owned by the UnitedKingdom and 1 Mortella_Tower owned by the UnitedKingdom lost in Hanovre
                France win, taking Hanovre from UnitedKingdom with 3 Fusilierss and 1 Howitzer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for France: 2 Howitzers and 1 Hussars
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Fortress and 3 Mortella_Towers
            Battle in Alemtejo
                France attack with 1 Cuirassiers, 1 Dragoons, 6 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss, 7 Horse_Artillerys, 3 Howitzers and 5 Hussarss
                UnitedKingdom defend with 1 Artillery, 1 Encampment, 3 Fusilierss, 6 Mariness and 2 Mortarss
                    France roll dice for 1 Cuirassiers, 1 Dragoons, 6 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss, 7 Horse_Artillerys, 3 Howitzers and 5 Hussarss in Alemtejo, round 1 :  7/0 hits
                    UnitedKingdom roll dice for 1 Artillery, 3 Fusilierss, 6 Mariness and 2 Mortarss in Alemtejo, round 1 :  3/1 hits
                    2 Mortarss owned by the UnitedKingdom , 1 Artillery owned by the UnitedKingdom , 3 Fusilierss owned by the UnitedKingdom , 1 Marines owned by the UnitedKingdom and 3 Fusilierss owned by the France lost in Alemtejo
                    France roll dice for 1 Cuirassiers, 1 Dragoons, 3 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss, 7 Horse_Artillerys, 3 Howitzers and 5 Hussarss in Alemtejo, round 2 :  6/0 hits
                    UnitedKingdom roll dice for 5 Mariness in Alemtejo, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 Howitzer owned by the France and 5 Mariness owned by the UnitedKingdom lost in Alemtejo
                France win, taking Alemtejo from UnitedKingdom with 1 Cuirassiers, 1 Dragoons, 3 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss, 7 Horse_Artillerys, 2 Howitzers and 5 Hussarss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 53
                Casualties for France: 3 Fusilierss and 1 Howitzer
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Artillery, 3 Fusilierss, 6 Mariness and 2 Mortarss

Non Combat Move - France
            6 Artillerys, 4 Chasseurss, 19 Fusilierss and 17 Howitzers moved from Oporto to Estremadura
            10 Chasseurss, 1 Dragoons, 20 Fusilierss, 6 Howitzers and 1 Mortars moved from Cologne to Champagne
            1 Fusiliers moved from Cologne to Champagne
            1 Hussars moved from Burgundy to Cologne
            10 Fusilierss and 10 Howitzers moved from Orleanais to Champagne
            2 Battleships, 7 Brigantines, 3 Corvettes and 8 Cutters moved from SZ34 to SZ27
            1 Barque, 2 Battleships and 2 Cutters moved from SZ41 to SZ34
            1 General moved from Brittany to Normandy
            1 Hussars moved from Languedoc to Aragon
            1 Hussars moved from Gascony to Aragon
            1 Hussars moved from Auvergne to Languedoc
            1 Dragoons moved from Burgundy to Gascony
            1 Horse_Artillery moved from Auvergne to Burgundy
            1 Hussars moved from Auvergne to Gascony

Place Units - France
            1 Chasseurs and 6 Fusilierss placed in Orleanais
            1 Corvette and 1 Cutter placed in SZ35

Turn Complete - France
            France collect 57 PUs; end with 57 PUs total
            Objective Balancing Convoy Income for balanced game: France met a national objective for an additional -6 PUs; end with 51 PUs

Territory Summary for France :

Normandy : 1 flag, 1 General
    Valais : 1 flag, 1 Dragoons and 1 Hussars
    SZ35 : 1 flag, 1 Corvette and 1 Cutter
    SZ28 : 1 flag, 1 Corvette
    Languedoc : 1 flag, 1 Hussars
    Burgundy : 1 flag, 1 Dragoons, 1 Horse_Artillery and 1 Hussars
    Flanders : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers
    Alemtejo : 1 flag, 1 Cuirassiers, 1 Dragoons, 1 Encampment, 3 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss, 7 Horse_Artillerys, 2 Howitzers and 5 Hussarss
    SZ34 : 1 flag, 1 Barque, 2 Battleships and 2 Cutters
    Aragon : 1 flag, 2 Hussarss
    Auvergne : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Horse_Artillery
    SZ26 : 1 flag, 2 Corvettes
    SZ27 : 1 flag, 2 Battleships, 7 Brigantines, 3 Corvettes and 8 Cutters
    Cologne : 1 flag, 1 Hussars
    Orleanais : 1 flag, 1 Capital, 1 Chasseurs, 6 Fusilierss and 3 Mortella_Towers
    Estremadura : 1 flag, 6 Artillerys, 4 Chasseurss, 19 Fusilierss and 17 Howitzers
    Hollande : 1 flag
    SZ30 : 1 flag, 1 Barque and 2 Battleships
    Gascony : 1 flag, 1 Dragoons and 1 Hussars
    Hanovre : 1 flag, 3 Fusilierss and 1 Howitzer
    Leinster : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines
    Brittany : 1 flag, 1 Fortress
    Champagne : 1 flag, 10 Chasseurss, 1 Dragoons, 32 Fusilierss, 16 Howitzers and 1 Mortars

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 57 / 51
    UnitedKingdom : 48 / 58
    Spain : 44 / 37
    KingdomOfPrussia : 28 / 31
    Sweden : 23 / 25
    AustrianEmpire : 39 / 42
    OttomanEmpire : 33 / 41
    Russia : 53 / 53

@pug6000:

@U-505:

Sweden seems the type of country that has the sole purpose of tying up enemy resources to help it’s allies instead of being offensive for it’s own sake.

Most think so, but they are wrong. I think I won 50% of my games because they underestimated Swedens power. But it depends on the overall strategy.
Some coalitions go against Sweden first. In that case Sweden has no chance at all. But if France is stronger inside Germany, Sweden can slowly build a large army and become an important power. Think of your Swedish stack in Jutland, just larger and with some pressure on Prussia from France.

@Veqryn:

sweden actually starts with a very high TUV, higher than a lot of other powers

the only problem is that russia can kill about a quarter of it without much trouble (though it does mean russia has to commit almost all it has to the job), and the rest is stuck in jutland

as long as uk doesn’t gun for it, sweden can become quite big, and often result in the fall of prussia

The problem was that I started out assuming that Finland could be held without running any sims to check my assumption for accuracy and I built an encampment on the first turn. If I had opened with an all naval purchase I could have controlled the Baltic earlier and I might have been able to rescue some of the more expensive units from destruction.

I recovered somewhat, but it put Sweden in a hole early.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :19

Combat Move - Spain
            1 Fusiliers moved from Estremadura to Algarve
                  Spain take Algarve from KingdomOfPrussia

Purchase Units - Spain
            Spain buy 2 Corvettes, 1 Frigate and 1 Fusiliers; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;

Combat - Spain

Non Combat Move - Spain
            1 Barque, 2 Battleships, 5 Brigantines, 5 Corvettes, 13 Cutters and 5 Frigates moved from SZ56 to SZ54
            1 General moved from Valencia to SZ56
            1 Barque and 1 General moved from SZ56 to SZ54
            1 General moved from SZ54 to Tangiers
            1 General moved from Tangiers to West Sahara
            1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Mortars moved from El Erg to Atlas
            1 Chasseurs, 2 Fusilierss and 3 Mariness moved from Valencia to New Castille
            1 Cuirassiers and 1 Horse_Artillery moved from Leon to New Castille
            2 Dragoonss moved from Catalonia to New Castille

Place Units - Spain
            1 Fusiliers placed in New Castille
            1 Frigate placed in SZ53
            1 Corvette placed in SZ54
            Spain undo move 2.
            1 Frigate placed in SZ54
            1 Corvette placed in SZ51

Turn Complete - Spain
            Spain collect 45 PUs; end with 48 PUs total
            Objective Balancing Convoy Income for balanced game: Spain met a national objective for an additional -10 PUs; end with 38 PUs

Territory Summary for Spain :

Sardinia : 1 flag, 2 Fortresss and 3 Mortella_Towers
    El Erg : 1 flag
    Tangiers : 1 flag, 1 General
    Algarve : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers
    Oran : 1 flag
    Oporto : 1 flag
    SZ51 : 1 flag, 1 Corvette
    Atlas : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Mortars
    SZ54 : 1 flag, 2 Barques, 2 Battleships, 5 Brigantines, 7 Corvettes, 14 Cutters and 6 Frigates
    West Sahara : 1 flag, 1 General
    Algeria : 1 flag
    Areg : 1 flag
    New Castille : 1 flag, 1 Capital, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Cuirassiers, 2 Dragoonss, 3 Fusilierss, 1 Horse_Artillery, 3 Mariness and 20 Mortella_Towers

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 57 / 51
    UnitedKingdom : 48 / 44
    Spain : 45 / 38
    KingdomOfPrussia : 27 / 31
    Sweden : 19 / 25
    AustrianEmpire : 39 / 42
    OttomanEmpire : 33 / 41
    Russia : 53 / 53

pug, u505,

i am curious if there are any balancing changes i should make to napoleonic for the next version

let me know,
thx

I am also very interested in both your insights and comments. We are in round 23 ourselves, with a virtually certain Coalition win. It seems, though, that both sides are very well matched, with only very few suggestions for balance.

u505 back yet?

2nd to last call for u505……