Axisplaya (Axis) vs Wheatbear(Allies) G40-A3

@VictoryFirst said in VF (Germany) vs. DoMan (Allies) | Original Europe OOB, Game 2:

@DoManMacgee

It turns out it is actually not a bug, but a feature of the rules (thanks to Panther for pointing that out).

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So in that case, I would’ve retreated from Ukraine to East Poland. Here is the corrected save file: G1 corrected.tsvg

And I will remember this possibility in the future.

Sorry for interfering: I pointed out that the old TripleA-Europe map is code-wise based on Classic.
In case you play the Europe-map and want to play by the rulebook, the Europe rules follow newer rulesets. From the Europe (1999) rulebook:
“The attacking land units may only retreat to
an adjacent friendly territory that was under the owner’s control
at the start of the turn – and from which any of the attacking
land units came. The units must all withdraw together to the
same territory.”

So when playing Europe players must take care of this specific rule themselves. As v1 rules (Classic) differ from the Europe 1999 -rulebook.

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

Game History

Round: 2 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 14 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 2 infantry moved from Rumania to Ukraine S.S.R. 2 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia 2 fighters moved from Finland to Karelia 1 bomber moved from Germany to Archangel 1 fighter moved from Hungary to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 fighter moved from Poland to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 battleship moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 1 Sea Zone from British 1 destroyer moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to British Convoy 2 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 2 Sea Zone from British 1 submarine moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone Germans take U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone from Americans Combat - Germans Strategic bombing raid in Archangel Bombing raid in Archangel rolls: 4 and costs: 4 PUs. Bombing raid costs 4 PUs Battle in Karelia Germans attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Karelia Germans win, taking Karelia from Russians with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians with 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 2 fighters moved from Karelia to Finland 1 bomber moved from Archangel to Finland 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Hungary to Bessarabia 2 armour moved from Hungary to Poland 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Hungary 2 armour moved from Germany to Poland 20 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 armour moved from Baltic States to Poland 2 armour moved from East Poland to Poland 1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland 2 fighters moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Poland 1 aaGun moved from Austria to Germany 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia Place Units - Germans 14 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 45 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : 0,33 Germans regular : 2,33

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You don’t see it is balanced? Interesting.

The Allies had an outlier at a start in the most important battle of the game; Omaha Beach. As you can see by the chart below 65% of the time no German units escape from Omaha Beach. Add in another at least 5%, from the Blue 13%, and that makes it 70% of the time no German units survive Omaha Beach. This, BTW, matches my DDay gaming experience.

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In our game 6 German units survived to fight on, only a single unit was killed. That means, at the start of Turn 2, the Germans had 6 MORE units on the board than they should have 70% of the time. At the beginning of Turn 9 there are 14 German units still on the board, one being a blockhouse so really only 13 combat units. Thus, without those 6 extra units there would be only 7 German units on the board which means the Allies would have won.

The above is not even taking into consideration that the Germans had 6 more units firing at the Allies during the game which obviously would have had an effect too.

And, since the overall dice came out fairly even, the dice during the game was not affecting this sole outlier. As you can see the Axis shot slightly better than the Allies…

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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

Game History

Round: 3 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 8 armour; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from Hungary to Rumania 1 infantry moved from Hungary to Bessarabia 2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Hungary to East Poland 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 1 bomber moved from Germany to Bessarabia 6 fighters moved from Poland to Baltic States 4 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 8 armour, 4 artilleries and 21 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland Combat - Germans Battle in Bessarabia Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Bessarabia Germans win, taking Bessarabia from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in East Poland Germans attack with 8 armour, 6 artilleries and 22 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 8 armour, 6 artilleries and 22 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 10/36 hits, 10.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland Germans win, taking East Poland from Russians with 8 armour, 6 artilleries and 22 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Baltic States Germans attack with 6 fighters and 4 infantry Russians defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 6 fighters and 4 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 3/10 hits, 3.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 6 fighters and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10 Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 3 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 4 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 submarine moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 5 submarines and 1 transport moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium 1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Germany 5 fighters moved from Baltic States to Netherlands-Belgium 6 infantry moved from Finland to Norway 1 bomber moved from Bessarabia to Germany Place Units - Germans 8 armour placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : -1.67 Germans regular : -0.17

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@dawgoneit

Great to see it works! Turn info is not necessary, I like just posting the save file and the combat hit differential summary if any.

@dawgoneit 21f5126b-8398-41a4-9813-e3bdafe63991-Any scramble.tsvg

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 7

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 7 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 2 armour, 4 artilleries, 21 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine Germans take Ukraine from Russians 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus Germans take Southern Belarus from Russians 9 armour and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia Germans take Bessarabia from Russians 9 armour and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Belarus to Eastern Poland 1 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Leningrad 1 armour moved from Leningrad to Novgorod Germans take Novgorod from Russians 1 armour moved from Leningrad to Vologda Germans take Vologda from Russians 1 armour moved from Vologda to Leningrad 1 armour moved from Novgorod to Leningrad 3 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Leningrad to Archangel 3 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Baltic States to Leningrad 1 destroyer moved from 115 Sea Zone to 128 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 115 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Leningrad to 128 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Leningrad to 118 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 107 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to 107 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 107 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 2 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone Combat - Germans Battle in Archangel Germans attack with 3 artilleries and 10 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 artilleries and 10 infantry in Archangel, round 2 : 2/13 hits, 3.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Archangel, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Archangel Germans win, taking Archangel from Russians with 3 artilleries and 10 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in 107 Sea Zone Germans attack with 4 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 destroyer Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 107 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 107 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/7 hits, 4.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 107 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 107 Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 107 Sea Zone Germans win with 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Battle in 118 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers Russians defend with 1 cruiser and 1 submarine Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 118 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 3.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 118 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 cruiser in 118 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Russians and 1 cruiser owned by the Russians lost in 118 Sea Zone Germans win with 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 17 Casualties for Russians: 1 cruiser and 1 submarine Battle in 128 Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 bombers and 1 destroyer Russians defend with 1 submarine Germans roll dice for 2 bombers and 1 destroyer in 128 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 128 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 128 Sea Zone Germans win, taking 128 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 bombers and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine Trigger Germans Destroy Factories Ukraine: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Germans in Ukraine Non Combat Move - Germans Trigger Ukraine Has Fallen to Germans Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Ukraine_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed attached to Germans 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 107 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 2 bombers moved from 128 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 aaGuns moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 118 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 118 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 118 Sea Zone to Western Germany 4 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 2 infantry moved from France to Western Germany Place Units - Germans 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines placed in 115 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Leningrad 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in France Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 53 PUs; end with 53 PUs Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 56 PUs Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 69 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.67 Russians regular : -1.17 Germans regular : 0.33

Savegame

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 9

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 9 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 1 armour moved from Smolensk to Yaroslavl Italians take Yaroslavl from Russians 1 armour moved from Yaroslavl to Smolensk 1 armour moved from Smolensk to Bryansk Italians take Bryansk from Russians 1 armour moved from Bryansk to Smolensk 1 bomber moved from Ukraine to Stalingrad 2 destroyers moved from 97 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 94 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone 4 transports moved from 94 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Southern France to 95 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 4 transports moved from 95 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Morocco to 94 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 7 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Gibraltar Combat - Italians Strategic bombing raid in Stalingrad Russians roll AA dice in Stalingrad : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 bomber owned by the Italians killed by AA in Stalingrad Bombing raid in Stalingrad causes 0 damage total. Battle in Gibraltar Battle in 100 Sea Zone Italians attack with 2 destroyers and 1 fighter French defend with 1 destroyer Italians roll dice for 2 destroyers and 1 fighter in 100 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits French roll dice for 1 destroyer in 100 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the French lost in 100 Sea Zone Italians win, taking Gibraltar from British, taking 100 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 destroyers and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for French: 1 destroyer Non Combat Move - Italians 1 fighter moved from 100 Sea Zone to Crete 3 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria 2 aaGuns, 1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 94 Sea Zone Place Units - Italians 2 transports placed in 97 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Northern Italy 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Southern France Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 25 PUs; end with 25 PUs Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 30 PUs Objective Italians 5 Control Convoy Lanes: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 33 PUs Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 38 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

French regular : -0.33 Italians regular : 0.83 Russians AA : 0.83

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