I thought you couldn’t blitz through neutrals?
I assume he meant after turkey was claimed.
AA.Org Official Alpha 3 Thread
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try it before you knock it. People have done this opener, mostly in live games. People are just trying to have a good time and want to skip the whole not being at war thing. It’s also a viable strategy, it may be “sub optimal” to some, but I like it. Most people who don’t like it just prefer more conservative play or prefer to see what the allies are doing before they go ahead and commit to something. Most of the time people do this for a change of pace or to try something outside the norm as it leads to crazier games.
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=26960.0
Once you play more than a few games, like say 5 as axis and 5 as allies, maybe 1 or 2 J1 DOW, couple sea lion, couple barb, maybe a japan that opens up on russian land for a game… basically do different things and see how they go then you can make a comparison.
I am surprised you played the older version and never did anything outside of the norm.
~as far as J1 war goes. you kill dd sub from usa at 0 loss. you get the fighter on phil as well, kwangtung and borneo and FIC so you make the same income as not going to war. your kills equate to the +23 usa gets. the -7 to india makes for an easier time in dealing with uk pac. does screw you up with china a little, but whatever. you won’t be skipping over the dutch islands that is for sure.
If USA pushes into japan sea zone to convoy you, you can make a quick anzac rush and that is super hilarious to win with.
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Oh, dont mistake me. I did plenty of off the wall shtuff in Alpha 2 and Alpha 3. I’ve tried sinking the British BB AND hitting the Americans in Pearl. I’ve tried ignoring the Americans completely and pushing for Moscow - this move was picked up by an opponent which lead to the Alpha 2 development of 100% allied attacks on Japan aka The Pac-Strat that once others were made aware of, was so bad, Alpha 3 had to be invented in the first place. wink Yes, there were plenty other contributing factors, but still…it was funny as hell that Japan couldn’t do squat against India, Australia and an 80 IPC America pounding on it finally getting pushed back - yes, the 18 Russian infantry were also used here - except, unlike normal, Japan couldnt do anything about it, no shore bombardments and no planes left.
However, I have never won with a round 1 attack by Japan. Round 1 attack by Germany is way more successful, but not as good as round 2.
Note, I have won with Sydney before. You’re correct, it is fun! But that followed a Calcutta Crush so I had Hong Kong, Manilla, Sydney, Beijing, Tokyo and Honolulu - America tried an Atl-Strat.
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you did your j1 different.
plus I am really doubting your impact on making a +3. sure the community as a whole lead to the development, but the main play testers have always been LH and his group.
I took sydney against a full pacific usa, but he went to convoy japan and I went to anzac and he could not make it in time.
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Yea I know he had to play test it himself, but I did kind of spear head the whole America crushing Japan in Alpha 2. ^_~ It was weeks later when he confirmed it was outta whack and then there was like a few months of discussion about what to do with it. lol.
Anyway, yes, my J1 is prolly different because I set up round 3. If you leave it all in place on round 2, it’s not like the allies are going to miss what you are doing! When you get to Round 2 and move to attack, THEN the allies are like “oh shtuff” and then it is usually too late. or, it is when I have done it.
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j3 DOW is really bad.
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I’ve never had an issue with it. But then, my goal isnt to win with Japan, it’s to sap Russia in any direction possible, ignoring China (which other people say is bad, but I’ve yet to have an issue with it, the idea is to pound into Russia once England knows you are not Sea Lion.)
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less objective oriented, that is fine.
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Keep in mind, I have not played a 3.9 yet. My statments revolve around Alpha 3. I have won with Japan before, but it was the result of someone absent mindedly stacking Burma (killed iwth with minimal losses, which is to say, in the 2nd standard deviation range in my favor) and took India, followed by Sydney and then Pearl. It’s just not my aim to win with Japan, it’s far too easy for America to stop a Japan win if they are looking for it.
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Oh, uif Moscow counted as a Japanese VC as well as European one, that might be a different story.
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Jen please join garg’s team tournament. Don’t worry about who you get as a partner.
Take Veqryn for example who has me as a team mate, I do pretty crazy gambits and so does Veqryn, so it is going to be wild.
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@Cow:
Jen please join garg’s team tournament. Don’t worry about who you get as a partner.
Take Veqryn for example who has me as a team mate, I do pretty crazy gambits and so does Veqryn, so it is going to be wild.
Yeah Jenn…come join us in the tournament. It will be a riot!
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There was never anything unbalanced about the Pac-Strat, Jen, even though you were very vocal about it.
It beat Sealion. Hooray.
So if Axis were smart enough not to foolishly do Sealion, they could still very much win.Ta-da!
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there is a reason why japan should go for his money and NOs. KJF is too easy with a too broke japan and it is easy to stall russia.
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In alpha 2, American Pac-Strat won 100% of the time I played it, and I played some really good players on here as well.
In Alpha 3, it’s boneheaded because you have NOs in the Atlantic and because England/Calcutta could get totally slammed.
In Alpha 3.9, who knows?
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KJF is as viable as a split income strategy.
Please play a game of global, preferably join garg’s tournament.
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@Cow:
KJF is as viable as a split income strategy.
Please play a game of global, preferably join garg’s tournament.
Hesitant to join a tournament until I play at least one game of 3.9.
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join first, play a game while you wait for it to start. It is not that different from the previous version, taking london is not a cheese move anymore and calcutta still falls (assuming japan is playing for his victory cities and national objectives).
~Just play italy for italy’s objectives however you want. Play germany for london or russia. Play japan for boats and oceans. Axis are good in those circumstances (where you are actually trying to do your national objectives or go for victory cities like capitals of allied nations).
When you do things outside of that, that is when the axis run into problems. Like Russia making +19 off of Africa for his national objective, which is why italy should not buy land units throughout the game and why germany should help sink some naval. Also it is wise to throw the two bombers at caucasus from west germany and land in romania to take out russian mech or tank if it means stopping russia from taking iraq/persia for a bit longer. These are wise decisions to stop national objectives.
Italy success in africa is very important in stopping the russians from taking italian territories in africa.
Sea lion is still strong and everyone who plays knows this.
Both sides face problems when they do not go for their objectives. Most people race for the win instead of play the income game, because there are more incentives to be aggressive now.
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I really don’t understand why you are resisting so much. The community is finally happy with a version of global and you resist!If you think axis are at a disadvantage you are sorely mistaken, most people prefer playing as the axis as polls suggest.
The Russian income trick is the only thing people have an issue with currently… but at the same time it is the only thing keeping russia alive should italy skip naval play and/or japan double team russia with germany. So yeah… I can understand why it is worded that way. I believe the russian NO should exclude africa and russia should get a bomber as compensation, because bombers are cool and more fun for russian players who decide to play aggressive.
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What trick is that?
(Russian Income Trick) - or is it that craptastic Ireland and Med Islands thing. Thought they fixed htat.
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no it involves taking iraq (2 for territory +3 national objective). ethiopia and somalia for +6 NO and tobruk and that other italian spot for +6 more NO.
Basically you need to do some africa play with italy and germany needs to help you out there. Otherwise russia will bank off of it.
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I cant imagine Russia getting anything down there, but I’ll take your word for it.
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