Attack, Retreat or Advance?

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I often read dazzling numbers of stacked troops (for ex. over 30 UK units in Russia?, 80+ tanks from Japan?)

…i don’t get it, do you people buy for 7 rounds before you do anything?

Precisely my thought! I play the game only occasionally, and have never played online. But it simply never lasted long enough to have such numbers. Perhaps I never met a good opponent?

A tripleA save file for this game would have been helpful.  Those do seem like large numbers before the ‘final’  dance(s)

Hobbes put the point perfectly. A good game Vs. two experts is almost always going to last for 12+ rounds. Most of the game becomes posturing. This is the problem I have with the allies as well Hobbes. Normally when I play the allies I let the UK and Russia do all the attacks unless an attack from US presents itself. I just build up my forces with US until they are too great and since they haven’t done any fodder attacks, their army is huge!

This may or may not be consistent with the conventional wisdom, but with regard to low luck games, my philosophy as Allies was always to be aggressive and wear down Germany with all 3 Allies.  So in my view large stacks are more beneficial to Axis (unless they are pinned down and losing bad economically).  In dice it’s not as easy to be as aggressive because amphib assaults can go terribly wrong, and one bad amphib can completely ruin a structured KGF.  For this reason I was inclined to believe the Allies have a better chance at winning in low luck.

I believe you are right. The allies should have the advantage in low luck because of the amphibious asaults. I also spend all my units as UK. Meaning I try to take as many territories as I can but still have a steady stream of 2 inf 2 tanks a turn to norway or lenningrad if can stack. I think in our game Hobbes decided against these attacks and kept a steady stream of 8 units heading to archangel with UK.

Re:  Large Stacks:  You see this a lot in games in which both Axis and Allies are controlled by conservative players of moderate to high skill.  If one or the other player is aggressive, large stacks won’t form, and the game will end quickly as the battles are quickly resolved.  If one or the other player is not at least moderately skilled, that player will make a mistake that the other player can exploit, which makes the game shorter (so large stacks don’t have time to build up).

Re:  UK/US (and USSR) roles:  This following comment is not directly relevant to earlier posts in this thread.  If Germany holds a territory originally controlled by Russia, UK can attack and fail and retreat, then US can attack and fail and retreat, then Russia can attack.  That is, the Allies have three chances to commit minimal force to attack a German-controlled Russian territory and take control of it by the time Russia collects income.  On the other hand, if Japan holds a territory originally controlled by Russia, there are only two chances.  If Japan holds a territory originally controlled by US, there is usually just one chance that has to be taken by the US.

If this wasn’t already an indicator that KGF is better for Allies, there’s the additional logistic advantage in going KGF.  UK/US fleets in the north Atlantic can hit any number of territories with cheap infantry (plus support) from amphibious assaults.  Allied forces in east Asia have almost no relative mobility because they’re stuck walking around instead of being offloaded from ships; the Japanese are the ones with the mobility advantage as the Japanese can offload to any number of key points (Buryatia and French Indochina being key), plus have the air power to turn a couple of infantry and a tank or two into a significant attack threat.

Re:  “conventional wisdom” - the “conventional wisdom” behind KGF is to attack 3 vs 1; the Allies are delayed by having to build the naval infrastructure, but then have a logistic advantage with amphibious assaults that potentially lets them trade off at 1:1 or better.  The delay is usually long enough for Japan to get quite large and nasty, which means the inevitable loss of Moscow.  If the Allies do NOT trade off with Germany early, Germany can potentially have defensive stacks that get reinforced by Japanese fighters.  Japan then tries to either grab Caucasus or Moscow while Berlin holds fast; if Berlin can hold for a few turns while the Japs control Caucasus or Moscow, the Axis probably win.

Re:  low luck favoring Allies:  Try to quantify that with an Axis bid if you would, please.  3 IPCs worth of units preplaced on the board / added to the bank?  More?

I am not a big fan of tripple attacks, unless for a capital. Tripple attacks almost always means that the allies lost many more men than Germany overall. Unless this totally obliterates 70% or more of germany’s forces I tend to just build up and stack off eastern europe when the situation allows for it.