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Sargon, we’re talking about UK and Germ in this thread, not China and Russia.
Personally i think we should go with 11, 2 G1, 8 G2. But we all do things a bit differently. Provided the UK fleet can survive G2, I think we might have something here.
Regarding your I1, Jim, it seems fine to me.
Just wondering, why did you send only 1 Inf to Sfr?
I know it doesn’t really make a difference, I was just curious.
Otherwise it seems good, plays the way a fleet-conserving (read: good) Italy would.
Other than that, I say go ahead with G2.
Just wanted to leave enough in Rome as to leave no doubt that it can be held in case taken by Italy.
Although it would be a moot point if London fell, as Germany would take the $ for themselves with a G3 Sealion.
Here’s where everything is at for G2. I would say land in Scotland.
I’d like to go back and forth on this one.
Whatever G2 we come up with, is there something that can be changed on UK1 to counter?
Proposed G2 attacks:
Just out of curiousity, Jim, why head east with the Italians? Trying to work with with just Germany?
The Italian fleet can’t be touched by either British air or the Med fleet.
Just out of curiousity, Jim, why head east with the Italians? Trying to work with with just Germany?
I also like to get a head start on the Middle East. The sooner I’m in there, the quicker I get my $ up and the sooner I get the Iraq inf as well. I find that if I get into the east early, I usually can lock it up and then I have the $ to keep the US out of the Med for some time.
And Jim -
It’s definitely tough to say.
UK can hit 111 with 5 Fig, 1 Tac. Germany would have to put everything into that spot to protect the 3 Transports. That’s fine, and they’re pretty guaranteed, but Germany’d probably have to put something into the protection of the new 113 Transports.
Pretty good reason for the British to keep their fleet in the Med and America to send reinforcements down.
@Cmdr:
Pretty good reason for the British to keep their fleet in the Med and America to send reinforcements down.
Has there been a consensus strategy on this topic, because I would like to avoid reading 5 pages of opinions, but I will if I have to.
And Jim -
It’s definitely tough to say.
UK can hit 111 with 5 Fig, 1 Tac. Germany would have to put everything into that spot to protect the 3 Transports. That’s fine, and they’re pretty guaranteed, but Germany’d probably have to put something into the protection of the new 113 Transports.
I agree with that 100%. That’s why I left 1 BB back with 3 scrambles to protect them. Odds are with Germany in both sz111 and sz112.
That being said, could UK have moved or bought something to prevent a move to Scotland?
We haven’t discussed it too terribly much, it doesn’t directly affect Sealion too much.
That fleet would consist of only 1 DD, 1 CV, and 2 CA. Eventually Italy will just destroy it. It’s just a matter of when they concentrate their navy. Maybe they take Egypt I2, maybe they pull back to 97. Tough to say. A purchase of a couple subs along with that initial Fighter buy will all but guarantee the death of the Royal Navy’s remnants. Sure Uk can pull out those fighters from London at the last second, but they can only do so much against a Middle-East fueled Italy.
Wait, you leave the BB to protect the new Transports?
Leaving just 1 CV, 1 CA, 2 Fig to protect 111.
Is the potential sacrifice of that fleet + 3 Transports worth the death of 3-4 UK Fighters? That trade is probably in Germany’s favor, but is still a tough call. Plus that few high-power units means dice could royally screw that fight in either direction very easily. But this is probably ideal, seems alright to me.
And I think you’re good as far as UK blocking 111.
If they did, the Luftwaffe would just nuke whatever lone DD/CA UK puts there. No issue there, as far as I can tell.
I agree with that 100%. That’s why I left 1 BB back with 3 scrambles to protect them. Odds are with Germany in both sz111 and sz112.
That being said, could UK have moved or bought something to prevent a move to Scotland?
If Germany loses a CA in G1, then Scotland on G2 is out.
What about leaving the UK sz91 CA in sz91 to hit sz111 in conjunction with the UK planes?
Wait, you leave the BB to protect the new Transports?
Leaving just 1 CV, 1 CA, 2 Fig to protect 111.
Is the potential sacrifice of that fleet + 3 Transports worth the death of 3-4 UK Fighters? That trade is probably in Germany’s favor, but is still a tough call. Plus that few high-power units means dice could royally screw that fight in either direction very easily. But this is probably ideal, seems alright to me.And I think you’re good as far as UK blocking 111.
If they did, the Luftwaffe would just nuke whatever lone DD/CA UK puts there. No issue there, as far as I can tell.
Odds on sz111 are bad. I typed it in wrong before.
5 fht, 1 tac vs 1 CA, 1 CV, 2 fht = 79%
However, UK needs to bring CV up to sz110 for planes to land, potentially.
Swith the BB with the CA and the odds are more like 55%.
Scotland is bad, unless Germany buys some covering units to protect the TTs A buy of 10 TTs looks to be out.
.@jim010:
If Germany loses a CA in G1, then Scotland on G2 is out.
What about leaving the UK sz91 CA in sz91 to hit sz111 in conjunction with the UK planes?
I agree there. If the dice are naughty in 112 G1, then yes, stay away from Scotland.
Good point with a 91 CA. Hm, tough calls.
Also, I’d recommend against hitting Greece G2.
Those Infantry are needed to block Poland/Hungary/Romania by G4 against Russia’s onslaught. They can make it to Poland exactly by then, along with 1 extra in Yugo for the Egypt NO, and one more in Germany for defense
We could just leave Scotland alone G2, and go with the full 10 TT.
That would get 26 full loads against UK on G4. That’s pretty ideal, it seems. And more or less unstoppable.
Also, I’d recommend against hitting Greece G2.
Those Infantry are needed to block Poland/Hungary/Romania by G4 against Russia’s onslaught. They can make it to Poland exactly by then, along with 1 extra in Yugo for the Egypt NO, and one more in Germany for defense
Depends on what is expected to survive in London. If London is expected to be tight, or anything less than 7 units, then I agree, skip Greece.
It’s not that everything would be destroyed in London, just that they get taken there and are out of Europe for a turn.
It’s really going to take everything else available in Europe along with 10 units purchased G3 in West Germany.
