Canadian and Finish Troops

I’m a bit late coming to this discussion thread, and my comments will just relate to one point from your original post, in which you were commenting that “the current way to deal with neutral nations is not good and makes the playing feel simulated.”  I quite agree that the game’s division of non-player countries into three types of neutrals (pro-Allied, pro-Axis and strict) and its two types of rules for neutrals (one for the pro-type neutrals and one for the strict neutrals) is problematic in several ways, particularly the rule which says that every strict neutral state in the world joins side X when one of these states is attacked by side Y.  A point that should be kept in mind, however, is the reason why those rules exist.  The reason for the existance of the rules makes a certain amount of historic sense, even though the actual mechanism of the rules is arguable

I don’t think the rules actually state the rationale explicitly, but it seems clear – based on an examination of which countries have which type of neutral status – that the neutrals rules are meant to strongly encourage (one notch below “force”) the players to replicate some of the historical events of WWII which occured after the game’s 1940 start date.  These situations include certain countries fighting alongside the Axis powers as co-belligerents (examples: Finland and Iraq) and certain countries being pitched into the Allied side either because they were invaded by the Axis (examples: Yugoslavia and Greece) or because they were preemptively invaded by the Allies over concerns that their current government was too sympathetic to the Axis (example: Persia / Iran).  As for the very unrealistic “every strict neutral state in the world joins side X when one of these states is attacked by side Y” rule, it’s basically a blunt instrument aimed at keeping all the player powers out of the states that managed to stay neutral in WWII.  And to reinforce the message, the neutral states are given different-sized “keep out” signs (the size of their standing armies) to underline which ones the players are particularly discouraged from invading.  Turkey, with its standing army of 8, comes at the top of the list – nor surprisingly, because Turkey offers a potential link-up between the war in North Africa and the war in Southern Europe and the USSR.

Correct, it already assuming Mech Infantry is literally a half track with an infantry unit attached to get value of the unit. I’d just have a house rule that allows Mechs to pull AA guns and Artillery two spaces.

I like the way you think GV, and I’m also trying to solve the same problem…

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=37884.new#new

@SS:

Has anybody discussed using Reconnaissance Planes to find ground troops? I do use them to find naval fleets.
Each country would start out with a certain amount of planes. You also can buy them at C 5.  A 0  D 1  M 4
Beginning of turn you would be able to use the plane to find troops in as many as territories the plane can fly. With an air base you would get the extra move. 1 plane could fly over 4 territories and land in its own or friendly territory.
You would roll 1 die for each territory the plane flew over to find troops positions. A roll of 4 or less tells you you have found position of troops. A roll of 5 or 6 tells you you didn’t find troops and your attacking pieces get a - 1 on attack for first round of combat only.
You didn’t find troops right away and your hits missed at first.
AA guns do get a shot at plane.

Could have it where art, tanks, and planes ( they can’t find neither right away ) get the -1 on attack first round only do to accuracy.

I know the game is long enough, but what’s another 5 mins.
This is just a thought and I know Patten didn’t attack sometimes until he knew where troops were and after plane strikes.

Could getting Radar eliminate the need for recon planes?

@CWO:

It’s an interesting idea, but I guess what I’m wondering is this.  A&A is an open game system in which the composition and location of all the forces on the board is visible to all players at all times.  If it had hidden (or decoy dummy) units, I could see the usefulness of doing recon work – but in an open system, I’m having trouble understanding just what these recon planes are meant to be discovering.

You could combine it with the HR about hidden forces using scrabble pieces.

PeterPaaPan,

I agree completely with Dangermouse. He has done some nice paint jobs himself. But it simply TAKES TIME! If you have someone else painting them for you,…you are still going to have to pay them FOR THEIR TIME. A painter with lesser talents would probably take more time,…and a professional will simply will cost more, read EXSPENSIVE!

I would encourage you to try painting them yourself. You’ll get better as you gain experience, and probably have some fun, too. There are several people on here that have painted their own pieces, and even some tutorials to help you out. They’re not hard to find, either. Just look around. You CAN DO IT! Good Luck.

“Tall Paul”

I like a lot of these ideas, yet I think it might be best if the game was not changed so much in a “canadian variant” Like so:

Canada would be played like UK Pacific in the Global game as in it is played on the same turn as the UK but is it’s separate economy of 7 IPC that must be spent at the Canadian IC.

Canadian NO

3 IPC if all Canadian territories are unconquered and London has not fallen.

2 IPC if there are no German subs on Europe board except sea zone 113-115

A one time 5 IPC bonus if Canada captures or liberates a European territory and holds it for at least one round.

I’m wondering if this will leave UK too open to Sea Lion with less IPC at hand. It will have to be playtested to see. I will soon and of course this would be best if you used historicalboardgaming.com’s canadian units and control markers. :) I’m ordering them now and will be using them to play at the end of the month.

This is what we use for V2 rockets

V2 Rockets
Cost 2 IPCs. They are produced at IC’s and move two (transported by train/truck). They are used at your AA guns in place of your normal rocket attack; they are immune to AA flyover fire and AA fire in targeted territory, due to their sub orbital attack and being faster than the speed of sound on approach. Range is still the same (3). Roll two dice and choose the better dice of the two. Can only move in combat movement phase if movement results in its being used at an AA gun location for a rocket attack. Are otherwise considered as non combat vehicles on defense and may be targeted by attacking tactical bombers.

NUCLEAR BOMB

A Nuclear Bomb is the only technology that can be targeted.  In order to research nuclear bombs, you must buy research dice, as opposed to tokens.  You buy dice in pairs, costing 10 IPCs per pair of dice.  You roll each pair of dice separately.  If you roll a 3 or less, you succeed.  Only one Nuclear Strike may be performed per tern.  There are three types of nuclear attacks that can be conducted:

Strategic Nuclear Strike

This attack is carried out on Industrial Complexes, and requires either Rockets or High Altitude Bombers [see my 3rd breakthrough chart].  These attacks follow the same rules for rocket attacks and strategic bombing runs, however, a successful strike results in the total destruction of the Industrial Complex, and the Industrial Complex is removed from the territory.  A new Industrial Complex may be built.  Only one bomber at a time may conduct a Strategic Nuclear Strike, and is immune to AA Gun fire.  It may be accompanied by escorts and intercepted.  An intercepted bomber that is destroyed does not trigger a Nuclear detonation.

Tactical Nuclear Strike
A tactical Nuclear strike is similar to a Strategic Nuclear Bombing Run in that it is done during the opening fire stage of combat, yet it is done against units as opposed to Industrial Complexes.  Only one bomber may perform a Tactical Nuclear Strike per turn.  One d6 is rolled.  The number on the die is the number of hits scored.  (example, a roll of 5 removes 5 enemy units from play).  Rockets may not conduct a Tactical Nuclear Strike.

Armageddon Nuclear Strike
This is a special attack that involves turning an entire territory into an impassable Nuclear Wasteland, and requires both Heavy Bombers and High Altitude Bombers.  A set number of bombers is required to perform this strike.  The total number of bombers in an Armageddon Strike Force must be equal to the IPC value of the territory to be nuked.  (for example, nuking Central United States requires 6 bombers).  If a bomber is shot down before it can drop its payload, the mission cannot be carried out and must be aborted, and no nukes are dropped.  When a successful Armageddon Strike is completed, remove all pieces from that territory, and place an upside-down control marker on it.  That territory is now considered impassable, and no income can be collected from it by any player.  This strike may not be done on territories with Victory Cities.  An island territory with no IPC value does not require Heavy Bombers to turn into a wasteland.