Factory placement

I agree with Simon about the use of US transports in the Pacific. You wipe out the Japanese navy and take back the islands and the mainland. Shuck your troops to Europe and take out Germany and Italy. Japan will be forced to surrender. You know, just like WW2. Unless the Japanese player has been smoking crack you will spend all day assaulting Tokyo while Germany makes mincemeat out of Russia and the UK.

My original calculations did not even consider that Japan has to repair the damage it causes. That extra cost means that over two rounds of strat bombing Japan is at around zero net-gain even if no strat bombers were lost in the process.

Marsh

@Herr:

Thanks for the debate and the clarification, gentlemen - Krieghund especially. No intentional overbuying, then. Vanished are my hopes to have a somewhat evil rule exploit named after me….

Keep trying, you may get there someday!

Actually, the Chinese placement rule isn’t quite as unfair as it would be for one of the big countries. Imagine if Russia could suddenly drop 37 IPCs worth of units in any of it’s original territories? Germany wouldn’t stand a chance.
The thing is, even with the Burma Road open, China usually only gets about 14-16 IPCs per round so they could only place 4-5 men in any territory. If Japan manages to keep the Burma Road closed, then it’s more like 8-10 IPCs per round so they could only place 2-3 men in any territory. Japan should still be overwhelming them overall.
Even if China drops 5 men in one territory, that will make things tough for Japan right there but what is going on in the rest of China? If China is plopping all their new men in a single territory, odds are they are leaving a lot of other territories undefended.
Also, it does make some sense historically. It’s like ghr2 said, back during the war the Chinese Army drew a lot of their new recruits right from the regular population.

@Clyde85:

@Cmdr:

You’d have to be prepared for Italy to take Spain on the same round true.

What is Italy going to be using to take Spain with? In this speculative scenario, isnt the ENTIRE Italian fleet, and perhapse a part of their airforce, destroyed?

Clearly not if they stack a few troops in Sfr before attackin Spain…
But it doesn’t change the fact that it’s probably a bad idea to allow US to land troops there every subsequent round.

Thanks again for the inputs. :-)

So, to sum up the issue. US IC upgrade cases are listed below.

1.) US buy the upgrade with money before (or even after) being at war
–> the upgrade is done during the mobilize new units phase of this turn, therefore, the 10 production capacity is available only in the next turn.
2.) not one attack or provoke US up to turn 3.
–> During the US3 collect income phase, US goes into war anyway. turn 3 mobilize phase gone already. wait for next turn please.
3.) US is being declared war on by an Axis.
–> US become at war immediately and IC upgrade immediately. On the start of next US turn, US has the major IC already, everything proceed as usual.
4.) US is not being declared war on, but was given the pretext to go to war. possible cases: Japan makes unprovoked war declaration on UK/ANZAC, Axis capture of London or any territory in North America.
–> it’s a little subtle here, but in short, US will be able to buy in large order. US is still having the 3 minor IC only at the start of the turn. she can make a over production purchase order (20 inf or something), go on to declare war at the beginning of Combat Phase. IC gets upgraded immediately. When US reaches the mobilize phase in the same turn, the now-Major IC are ready to produce the once-over-large order.

ok. one less reason for Japan to make a “UK+ANZAC” war declaration than to make a “all Allies” war declaration.  :wink:

@SalothSar:

@MarkVIIIMarc:

Trick will be not letting the americans pull any gimmicks like taking over rome.

If you bomb the NB in Gibraltar you elimnate any USA gimmicks

If you hit more than 3 damage (and not get shot down by the AA)

Very true, those fighters are very needed in Defense, as they are stronger in that regard.

Also, I did once have a sucessfull Dunkirk evacuation of my French Fighter from the French battle.  I am pretty sure its a house rule, but the way we usually play is that if there are no attacking air units, then the defending air unit can retreat to a safe territory within its range if it survives the first round of combat.

Of course it did, and my opponent forgot to throw a Stuka at France, so the Dewontine came in very useful for a possible sealion defense and also to land on a carrier later on as a defender.