Factory placement

@Private-Mike said in IC placement?:

I would assume you can not place an industrial complex in any new territory that have been conquered? Correct? My second question is this: Do you guys like to buy a complex (major or minor) for Romania and if so what round? If you buy it on round 1, you can go hard at Russia round 2, but you tip your hand at no Sea Lion. Plus, I like the carrier because I planned on moving it to the med to help with Italy.
Thanks Guys

Correct you must own the territory at the start of your Turn to build an IC .

Building a Major IC in Romania on G1 is known as the Romanian Rush. It is the precursor to attacking Moscow on G6. I do not see a valid reason to build a minor IC there.

@Darby:

I will push my luck with some other questions:

Situation: France has fallen to Germany

USA lands on French Morocco
a) There are French Troops there - do the USA place a Roundel and begin collecting income ?
b) There are No troops there - do the USA place a Roundel and begin collecting income ?

Regardless of whether there are French troops there, as long as you’re talking “French” Morocco, it will stay French until the Axis conquer it. The only way the US can ever own it, is to capture it from an Axis power that had first captured it.

@Darby:

Evolving Situation:  Later France is liberated so the USA roundel is removed and control / income becomes French again, however there are both British and US troops ( no French troops) in say Southern France at the time of French Liberation.

Next Turn Germany reconquers France

Who gets the control of Southern France which contains both British, and US troops and a French Roundel?

Regardless of which Allied troops are in Southern France when France is liberated, and regardless which Allied power holds it at the time, control immediately reverts to France. So any cardboard roundels are removed, leaving only the French roundel that’s printed on the board. So France still has Southern France, even though it has little use for it.

This very situation is often a reason for the US and/or UK not to liberate France - or at least, not to hurry doing so. First, if they lose it again to Germany, the Germans will collect the French income. Second, before they liberated France, the other Allies (especially the US) could use the factories in Normandy-Bordeaux and in Southern France to produce much-needed units on the spot, and they lose that option (plus the IPC income) once those areas revert to France. So think twice before you rush in to have that triumphal march down Champs Elysees!

I agree with Simon about the use of US transports in the Pacific. You wipe out the Japanese navy and take back the islands and the mainland. Shuck your troops to Europe and take out Germany and Italy. Japan will be forced to surrender. You know, just like WW2. Unless the Japanese player has been smoking crack you will spend all day assaulting Tokyo while Germany makes mincemeat out of Russia and the UK.

yes

Afraid not. However, if  you capture a Major Factory with more than 6 damage , it becomes (is downgraded  to) a Minor with just 6 damage.

The only thing I don’t like about Japan building factories on the mainland is if the game is going good for Japan, and once they eliminate China and India and any Russian threat, those factories become almost useless because Japan now has to branch out to sea.
Yeah, you can still use them, like to build transports to load up the existing land troops, but most of the naval production seems to happen at Japan itself. Plus, unless your navy is spread out, then you will have defenseless transports all along the coast. Then again, I guess if it is going that well for Japan then they can afford to “throw away” a few transports in order to get men on the islands or on Australia.

Thanks again for the inputs. :-)

So, to sum up the issue. US IC upgrade cases are listed below.

1.) US buy the upgrade with money before (or even after) being at war
–> the upgrade is done during the mobilize new units phase of this turn, therefore, the 10 production capacity is available only in the next turn.
2.) not one attack or provoke US up to turn 3.
–> During the US3 collect income phase, US goes into war anyway. turn 3 mobilize phase gone already. wait for next turn please.
3.) US is being declared war on by an Axis.
–> US become at war immediately and IC upgrade immediately. On the start of next US turn, US has the major IC already, everything proceed as usual.
4.) US is not being declared war on, but was given the pretext to go to war. possible cases: Japan makes unprovoked war declaration on UK/ANZAC, Axis capture of London or any territory in North America.
–> it’s a little subtle here, but in short, US will be able to buy in large order. US is still having the 3 minor IC only at the start of the turn. she can make a over production purchase order (20 inf or something), go on to declare war at the beginning of Combat Phase. IC gets upgraded immediately. When US reaches the mobilize phase in the same turn, the now-Major IC are ready to produce the once-over-large order.

ok. one less reason for Japan to make a “UK+ANZAC” war declaration than to make a “all Allies” war declaration.  :wink: