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Thank you for the hint, @DoManMacgee !
Changes still needed to the game, IMHO
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So instead of being combat effective in the event of a G2, or G3 attack, you are going to fly those planes east? just to fly them back west?
Questioneers position is hypocritical is my point.
He says that it’s dumb for the Japanese to attack - because it gains nothing, and hurts the axis. and I say that it’s crucial for them to attack.
I made my point clear that when the Japanese attack it forces the Russians to divert resources off of Germany - which is why it is a GOOD IDEA for Japan to attack. And low and behold, despite the fact Questioneer DISAGREE’s with me, his knee jerk reaction is to divert resources exactly as I intended and as I hope the russians would do - as part of my overall plan.
Point proven - it’s worthwhile for Japan to attack the Reds.
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A second part of the question also remains.
Even IF, all those units in Korea/Manchuria avoided the reds, and the reds avoided the Japanese.
HOW MANY TURNS would it be, before those units saw a single round of combat? or took a territory? 5? 6? turns maybe? THAT’S a waste of perfectly good resources.
And don’t tell me that you’d use your transports to move them around, Surely you are smart enough to realize that there are infantry and equipment already placed on Islands and in Japan that can be used to fill those transports for several turns.
The choice is:
A - move units towards india no combat for 5 to 7 turns, no territories likely taken
B - Attack the russians and make more money, and divert Russian resources in your direction.
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I’ve had pretty good success sending a Russian ftr/tac east. Not saying it will work every time, or that my opponents in that game were the best ever, but it can be viable, depending on the situation.
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Now we’re talking about either attacking with the Russians OR attacking the Russians as Japan on game start?
OK.
I disagree here. If Japan wastes a lot of resources killing the Amur stack, that’s just it, a waste. You’re just building up a future unit deficit against China and India by not consolidating your forces in the right places. It’s also worse to piddle around against the Chinese and the UK at game start since both powers can make MORE money as the game progresses compared to Russia which will always stay close to a static 37 IPCs (at least for the first 3-4 turns).
True, you could argue that those troops aren’t doing anything anyways, but what would you rather have on J5: 20+ land units you carefully marched across China to Burma with loaded transports in range of India; or 5-10 land units possibly without support isolated in Russia somewhere?
Same could be said of Russia with its 18 INF in Amur, if Germany goes hard for Barbarossa with a G2 build and attacks, you’ll be glad you were cautious with them at game start around R6-7.
Even though these land units aren’t effectively “used” every turn, they still have “threaten potential” to influence future events and builds across the board.
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Sounds like there are alot of Japanese “Cowards” perusing the forums here…
Where’s your ZEAL? Where’s your Banzai cry for the emporer? RUNNING FROM THE COMMUNISTS! Absurd!
I’m with ya G> BanzaiX3 squash those 18 Amur Reds with all you got!!!
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“Oh Can-a-da, you’re hope-less at this game…” :wink:
Once we get this Mod to stop crashing I’ll play you a game and you can be Japan. I’ll be Russia and slap you like a red headed step sister when you come chasing all my infantry, picking up only 1 IPC tt per round (you don’t have tanks) while you give me 12IPCs off the bat, which I will use against Germany. Meantime because you will waste a round or two collecting cheap land that gives Allies in the Pacific more time to back hand you on your other cheek by round 5-6. Sounds like fun. wheeeee.
How are you diverting my planes when I can’t use them for nothing else the first 4 rounds anyway- they’ll be back in time to join the party with Germany later after Japan tries to go Rambo with me- ha ha. :lol:
Silly Canadians…
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I have had success with both strats as japan…. Attacking Russians or leaving them it all depends on what is happening elseware, and what opportunities arise. And questioner stop dumping on canadians, what’s wih that?
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I have had success with both strats as japan…. Attacking Russians or leaving them it all depends on what is happening elseware, and what opportunities arise. And questioner stop dumping on canadians, what’s wih that?
Words of wisdom….
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“Oh Can-a-da, you’re hope-less at this game…” :wink:
Russia will slap you like my red headed step sister when you come chasing all my infantry, picking up only 1 IPC tt per round Sounds like fun. wheeeDude spare me with your Canadians suc routine…. You need not bring politics into your lame-a** arguement. For the record>>> I stated that I would attack Amur if all 18 inf were stupid enough to end up on that coastline. There would be no chase because all 18 inf in Amur are dead. J1 Japan hits Amur with everything that can make it there. !All to easy! Oh and by the way… when your done beating you step sister can I take her out for a drink?
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Jen, when i play a game where japan is routed so fast, ill support your view.
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5 turns Jen c’mon what are you doing to get routed so fast?
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Is japan sitting at home the whole time waiting for this to happen, or are they on a scenic cruise?
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@Cmdr:
Jen, when i play a game where japan is routed so fast, ill support your view.
Sorry to hear your skills need refining in naval combat. I’d be glad to give you some tips. After all, life is more than destroyers and submarines!
Sry to hear that the skills of your japans need refining in naval combat.
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There is one of your problems you can’t let Anzac collect that much if you take the solomans it stops
2 bonuses for Anzac and leaves one more island(like Guam) for you to take for a 5 no, add philipeens and that’s another 5 off USA. Without any British or DEI that’s a 22 dollar swing.+5 NO japan
-10 anzac NOs
-7 phil USA -
Have to agree Jen, Japan is hamstrung in alpha 2. No way it can compete with the US fleet , hold the money islands, and make good gains in SE asia(especially without a Major IC). Having the US in this version is like being a kid in a candy store.
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There is one of your problems you can’t let Anzac collect that much if you take the solomans it stops
2 bonuses for Anzac and leaves one more island(like Guam) for you to take for a 5 no, add philipeens and that’s another 5 off USA. Without any British or DEI that’s a 22 dollar swing.+5 NO japan
-10 anzac NOs
-7 phil USATaking the Solomons is one thing….holding it is another.
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@Battling:
Taking the Solomons is one thing….holding it is another.
Hum kind of like the real war
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@Cmdr:
Question:
How is Japan going to survive 70 IPC a round from America, 20 IPC a round from Australia_(15 at most)_ and 15 IPC a round from England_(should be down to 6 at most)_ (feel free to move some Australian money to England depending which way you go) when it collects 50 IPC **(should have between 60-70)**a round?
By round 5, America will have 120% the naval pressence of Japan_[b(]japan can stall them none the less), England will have whatever it did not lose on Round 1(he should be confined to india/burma), and Australia will have another 40ish IPC in naval equipment backing up America**(true, but not as serious as u think if u keep him isolated)_**. (3 fighters landing on islands to assist in American fleet defense.)
There’s nothing Japan can do about it!(japan can survive for a while even when america is going 100% pacific, if america is foolish enough to do that, italy will be able to hold off uk long enough for germ to smash russia).
America should be going 70%-30% or 80%-20% pacific-europe for maximum effect. Though when he does this, japan will have np being a big threat till round 8-9 unless he suicides his fleet in a giant attack, or moves it all to india for a crush(alllowing america to take and sit in phil messing up ur monies).
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LOL @ 5 turns.
What if the US isn’t in the war until turn 3?
That’s 2 combat movements for US to “ROUT” the entire pacific. I mean, a destroyer could block a movement for a turn at that point, and your whole plan would be hooped.
And yet somehow by your OWN suggesstions Jen, a few infantry or a complex will fix all of Japans problems and balance the game.
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America can liberate the Solomons before Australia’s turn. Collecting the NOs shouldn’t be too much of a problem really. However, I can see the situation where Australia may be down both NOs for a turn, however, that alone won’t make much of a difference.
Gargantua:
I’ve since changed my mind. Japan needs naval power and more income to balance the game.
GHR:
I’m pretty extreme. Who else would attack Norway, E. Europe and Ukraine in AAR on Russia 1? Sure, there was talk, but AFAIK I was the only one to make it a regular open, followed with a British complex in India and an American Pacific strategy. But that’s not the point of the discussion, the point is, Japan is in dire straights. A wild and heavily focused Allied incursion in the Pacific will see Japan crushed. It really does not matter of England falls to Germany and Italy owns the Med. (keeping them from all of their NOs isn’t overly difficult for 5, 7 rounds)
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