IC in Egypt

Problem is UK has other worries.
Sealion, (invasion of UK) for instance.
Because of that danger UK1 build is normally 9 inf.
UK2 build is 10 inf.

Only then can you get creative.

I hardly doubt that Germany will try to invade England in each and every game.

Imagine Germany ignore UK and attack USSR in the first turn.

In that case UK should sink the Italian navy and build a factory in Egypt.

I think.

IMHO

@orcageo:

Yes England should and doing it on UK1 makes things very hard for the Italians

Not really. That’s 4 less inf in England, which will lead to a Sealion and the eventual capture of the factory

@orcageo:

Why are you concerned of the sealion England has a good chance to prevent it with its battleships which are near the UK

Those BB’s die on G1

@orcageo:

I am afraid I disagree but an opinion is an opinion. The UK has two BB and two cruisers in the area and Germany one BB and one cruiser why are you so sure about this?

Don’t forget Germany also has 5 subs, 4 fighters, 3 tacticals, and a bomber. France is easily taken with all land units in range

@orcageo:

OK the subs can do damage but have roll 2 and there is a destroyer is SZ 110. The tactical bombers is a good move but what can the Bomber do does it attack fleets? I do not know this.
What about the fighters in the UK can’t the UK scramble them?

Bombers can attack fleets and the UK fighters can’t scramble since UK is not an Island(borders a land territory and multiple sea zones).

Here is one set of attacks:
SS and fighter against destroyer and transport in Z109
fighter, cruiser, and battleship against 2 cruisers in Z112
2 SS, 2 ftr, tac against battleship and cruiser
2 SS, 2 tac, bmr against destroyer and battleship

Are you really serious  :-o

1- A&A is an unrealistic war game…

2- What kind of planes do you think sank the British BBs in the pacific ? ( in the real WWII )

3- If you read all the msgs in all the forums, lots of players are trying unrealistic ways to win…

4- I would like to play against you, since you won’t use bombers against me and I will against you  :lol:

5- This is only a wargame, enjoy it and use your bombers, scare your ennemies.  :-D

Cheers

J.  8-)

@orcageo:

Were they strategic bombers or stukas you tell me.
Do you think I do not know its an unrealistic game!!!
The thing is though that the game is based on real events, a real war with the real political situations of that time. Anyway thats the way I see it. Bombers bomb from thousands of feet off the ground, tactical bombers can bomb ships, that’s how the American and Japanese fleet lost ships. If I am wrong then I apologize.
Anyway we wouldn’t play with each other I think because we have different philosophies. Thank you though for your opinion.

You can play with the rule that bombers can’t hit ships but I have a feeling that will make the game unbalanced towards the allies, who need bombers to kill the Japanese, Italian, and German fleets

Alos, a strategic bomber may not be accurate enough to hit a single ship, but keep in mind 1 battleship piece represents multiple battleships and their escorts, which a strategic bomber can kill

@orcageo:

Thanks for the plan and the answer about the fighters is logical, but I find no logic in the bomber being able to fire upon ships. In real war strategic bombers bombed cities and facilities not ships, they fly very high up in the sky in order to aim a ship. If that is in the rules its unrealistic and I am afraid that I will not play it my game. Thank though for your quick answers and debate calvin.

mmm… will your infantry shoot back when attacked by fighters?

@orcageo:

Were they strategic bombers or stukas you tell me.
Do you think I do not know its an unrealistic game!!!
The thing is though that the game is based on real events, a real war with the real political situations of that time. Anyway thats the way I see it. Bombers bomb from thousands of feet off the ground, tactical bombers can bomb ships, that’s how the American and Japanese fleet lost ships. If I am wrong then I apologize.
Anyway we wouldn’t play with each other I think because we have different philosophies. Thank you though for your opinion.

Hi,

I had to go to work, that’s why I didn’t answer you right away. You are right about the IJ planes that sunk the British BBs in the pacific. They were tactical bombers, G4M Bettys I think. As far as I know, the IJAF didn’t have strategic bombers. Same with the German, beside Kondors. You don’t have to apologize, we were just ’ arguing ’ about our own feelings of the game. It is nice to have people with different philosophies. But game wise, you are losing good units if you only use strat bombers for strat attacks on IC and others. But we do live in a free world, so as long as we enjoy the game, we do as we like.

J. 8-)

The Egypt IC gives UK no forces immediately and commits them to spending more later. I prefer to buy a transport off South Africa with a ground unit or two and use the rest in the Atlantic.

It doesn’t work if Germany goes all in for Sealion, but not spending 12 on a minor leaves enough money to hold off a feint.