Quick question on aircraft overflight: can planes overfly an enemy country’s territory before war is declared during either combat moves or noncombat moves? E.g. can a Japanese plane overfly a British territory before these two countries are at war or does the overflight trigger/require a declaration of war? Thanks!
No. [Edit: see official response a few posts down]
See page 15 AA Europe rulebook blue side box labeled “Powers That Begin the Game Neutral”, second paragraph, second sentence “…, nor can another power move land or air units into its territories or onto its ships…”
Quick question on aircraft overflight: can planes overfly an enemy country’s territory before war is declared during either combat moves or noncombat moves? E.g. can a Japanese plane overfly a British territory before these two countries are at war or does the overflight trigger/require a declaration of war? Thanks!
No.
See page 15 AA Europe rulebook blue side box labeled “Powers That Begin the Game Neutral”, second paragraph, second sentence “…, nor can another power move land or air units into its territories or onto its ships…”
Well, he’s asking about flying over a territory, which I think you can do, but I’m not certain
Foreign air units, friendly or otherwise, may not fly over the territories or land on the carriers of a power that is neutral (not at war with anyone). A neutral power’s air units may not fly over territories or land on carriers that do not belong to it. Allied air units belonging to powers not at war with Japan may not fly over original Chinese territories (regardless of who currently controls them). No air units may fly over neutral territories, unless it is to attack them. Any other movement of air units is allowed.
To answer Jmite’s specific question, a Japanese plane may fly over a UK territory (and vice versa) in either combat or noncombat movement before they’re at war with each other, because neither Japan nor UK is neutral. Japan is at war with (at least) China, and UK is at war with Germany and Italy.
Foreign air units, friendly or otherwise, may not fly over the territories or land on the carriers of a power that is neutral (not at war with anyone). A neutral power’s air units may not fly over territories or land on carriers that do not belong to it.
Wow. Thanks for asking the question, Jmite, I hadn’t thought about this situation yet.
In summary, the only powers that start the game neutral are USSR and USA. So these powers can not fly over any non-USSR or USA territories until at war with an Axis power, and Allies cannot fly over USSR or USA territories until USSR or USA is at war with an Axis power.
Foreign air units, friendly or otherwise, may not fly over the territories or land on the carriers of a power that is neutral (not at war with anyone). A neutral power’s air units may not fly over territories or land on carriers that do not belong to it.
Wow. Thanks for asking the question, Jmite, I hadn’t thought about this situation yet.
In summary, the only powers that start the game neutral are USSR and USA. So these powers can not fly over any non-USSR or USA territories until at war with an Axis power, and Allies cannot fly over USSR or USA territories until USSR or USA is at war with an Axis power.
You forgot China
Sorry about that, I believed UK was neutral to Japan until a declaration of war. So in Global they can because they are at war with an ally who is at war with them. I guess they can’t in just Pacific since they are neutral in that version?
It’s the same in Pacific.
You forgot China
Calvin, you nitpicker. What do you mean I forgot China? China starts at war with Japan.
It’s the same in Pacific.
Yeah, UK and ANZAC are still at war with Germany. Just because you’re only playing half of the war does not change that fact.
You forgot China
Calvin, you nitpicker. What do you mean I forgot China? China starts at war with Japan.
UK can’t fly units over China until at war with Japan
You forgot China
Calvin, you nitpicker. What do you mean I forgot China? China starts at war with Japan.
UK can’t fly units over China until at war with Japan
Why not? China is not neutral. UK is not neutral.
You forgot China
Calvin, you nitpicker. What do you mean I forgot China? China starts at war with Japan.
UK can’t fly units over China until at war with Japan
Why not? China is not neutral. UK is not neutral.
The special China rules. Just like how UK can’t enter China until at war with Japan, even though both powers are at war
You forgot China
Calvin, you nitpicker. What do you mean I forgot China? China starts at war with Japan.
UK can’t fly units over China until at war with Japan
Why not? China is not neutral. UK is not neutral.
The special China rules. Just like how UK can’t enter China until at war with Japan, even though both powers are at war
But a flyover isn’t the same as entering, is it? (And can you possibly think of an example when the UK would ever fly over Chinese territory when not at war with Japan? That’s why I call it nitpicking)
You forgot China
Calvin, you nitpicker. What do you mean I forgot China? China starts at war with Japan.
UK can’t fly units over China until at war with Japan
Why not? China is not neutral. UK is not neutral.
The special China rules. Just like how UK can’t enter China until at war with Japan, even though both powers are at war
But a flyover isn’t the same as entering, is it? (And can you possibly think of an example when the UK would ever fly over Chinese territory when not at war with Japan? That’s why I call it nitpicking)
They would do it to enter Russia or Hong Kong
The special China rules. Just like how UK can’t enter China until at war with Japan, even though both powers are at war
Yes, UK entering China is considered an act of war by Japan. But what is the definition of “entering”? I wouldn’t think a fly-over is “entering”. Is this clarified in the P40 FAQ? Point me to the exact statement on a page number in the manual or a specific Q&A on the FAQ. I have never seen anything that specifically states a fly-over over China is an act of war or is unallowed by the UK.
The special China rules. Just like how UK can’t enter China until at war with Japan, even though both powers are at war
Yes, UK entering China is considered an act of war by Japan. But what is the definition of “entering”? I wouldn’t think a fly-over is “entering”. Is this clarified in the P40 FAQ? Point me to the exact statement on a page number in the manual or a specific Q&A on the FAQ. I have never seen anything that specifically states a fly-over over China is an act of war or is unallowed by the UK.
It was said by Krieg when I asked(about 6 months ago) whether UK planes can fly over Japanese territory to land in Hong Kong
It was said by Krieg when I asked(about 6 months ago) whether UK planes can fly over Japanese territory to land in Hong Kong
You mean Chinese?
So it’s another example of something they didn’t think of when writing the rulebook (or FAQ).
But in WW2 it wasn’t like it is now - you didn’t have no-fly zones and high tech radar. The Japs wouldn’t even know if the UK was flying over China nor would they consider that an act of war against Japan. Bad rule!
It was said by Krieg when I asked(about 6 months ago) whether UK planes can fly over Japanese territory to land in Hong Kong
You mean Chinese?
So it’s another example of something they didn’t think of when writing the rulebook (or FAQ).
But in WW2 it wasn’t like it is now - you didn’t have no-fly zones and high tech radar. The Japs wouldn’t even know if the UK was flying over China nor would they consider that an act of war against Japan. Bad rule!
I meant Japanese-held territories. he said yes, as long as they’re not original Chinese territories, which sort of makes the ability to overfly Jap territories useless since the only nonisland is Siam, which is not strategically placed.
In real life, Siam would border Malaya, and Shan State would not
In real life, Siam would border Malaya, and Shan State would not
I didn’t say I liked the fictitious geographical boundaries. At least “Panama” doesn’t border EUS anymore. That was weird. The worst thing is how the boards don’t line up at all if you put WUS against CUS, and how you have to refer to a page in the manual to see which sea zones border which across the end of the boards. :x
In real life, Siam would border Malaya, and Shan State would not
I didn’t say I liked the fictitious geographical boundaries. At least “Panama” doesn’t border EUS anymore. That was weird. The worst thing is how the boards don’t line up at all if you put WUS against CUS, and how you have to refer to a page in the manual to see which sea zones border which across the end of the boards. :x
As opposed to trying to visualize them when the board is set up?
