Political Situation Question…

@Driel310:

Now here’s the trick, that’s how you see it, but how did the game designers see it?

The Russian declaring war on Germany if attacked by Japan thing is not quite clear to me. The text can be explained in two directions.

If Japan attacks Russia, Russia still can’t declare war on germany/Italy until turn 4 unless Germany or Italy declared war on Russia already

@Driel310:

The Russian declaring war on Germany if attacked by Japan thing is not quite clear to me. The text can be explained in two directions.

I absolutely agree.  Its not clear to me either - in fact when I first read it, I came to the opposite conclusion as the earlier posters.

When I read “May not declare war on an Axis power in Europe until turn four unless an Axis power declares war first”  I read that as saying if Japan (an Axis power) declares war on Russia, then Russia is then free to declare war on any remaining Axis power (Germany or Italy) - in effect, circumventing the 4 turns rule.

I do not read it to mean a that Japanese DOW on Russia means that Russia is automatically at war with the other Axis powers.  Just that Russia is free to then DOW the remaining Axis powers in Europe if it chooses.

Maybe this is incorrect - but the way this was worded in the preview definitely leaves the issue ambiguous.

@gtg21:

@Driel310:

The Russian declaring war on Germany if attacked by Japan thing is not quite clear to me. The text can be explained in two directions.

I absolutely agree.  Its not clear to me either - in fact when I first read it, I came to the opposite conclusion as the earlier posters.

When I read “May not declare war on an Axis power in Europe until turn four unless an Axis power declares war first”  I read that as saying if Japan (an Axis power) declares war on Russia, then Russia is then free to declare war on any remaining Axis power (Germany or Italy) - in effect, circumventing the 4 turns rule.

I do not read it to mean a that Japanese DOW on Russia means that Russia is automatically at war with the other Axis powers.  Just that Russia is free to then DOW the remaining Axis powers in Europe if it chooses.

Maybe this is incorrect - but the way this was worded in the preview definitely leaves the issue ambiguous.

I think since it says “axis power in europe” it refers only to Germany and Italy

Calvinhobbesliker is correct.

@Krieghund:

Calvinhobbesliker is correct.

I have a question about invading a pro-enemy neutral. The preview says that if you fail to take it, then it acts as a pro-enemy and can be claimed by the opponent. This just means that the enemy can take over the neutral, but they only get the infantry left over after the battle, right?

If the allies take Crete in non-combat, does Greece become theirs(with the infantry)? If Portugal became pro-allies, would activating Angola(taking it in noncombat and getting its infantry) also activate Portugal and Mozambique?

@calvinhobbesliker:

I have a question about invading a pro-enemy neutral. The preview says that if you fail to take it, then it acts as a pro-enemy and can be claimed by the opponent. This just means that the enemy can take over the neutral, but they only get the infantry left over after the battle, right?

Correct.

@calvinhobbesliker:

If the allies take Crete in non-combat, does Greece become theirs(with the infantry)? If Portugal became pro-allies, would activating Angola(taking it in noncombat and getting its infantry) also activate Portugal and Mozambique?

No.  Each neutral territory is treated independently.

@Krieghund:

@calvinhobbesliker:

I have a question about invading a pro-enemy neutral. The preview says that if you fail to take it, then it acts as a pro-enemy and can be claimed by the opponent. This just means that the enemy can take over the neutral, but they only get the infantry left over after the battle, right?

Correct.

@calvinhobbesliker:

If the allies take Crete in non-combat, does Greece become theirs(with the infantry)? If Portugal became pro-allies, would activating Angola(taking it in noncombat and getting its infantry) also activate Portugal and Mozambique?

No.  Each neutral territory is treated independently.

I see. So Angola may as well be an independent country

Thanks for the clarifications Krieg.  :-)

Krieg, can Russia take over pro-allied neurtals like in mid east before they are at war with Euro Axis?  Can they invade Iraq, while not at war?

@cond1024:

Krieg, can Russia take over pro-allied neurtals like in mid east before they are at war with Euro Axis?  Can they invade Iraq, while not at war?

I don’t think so. A neutral power can’t move into territories that don’t belong to it.

Well, the rules clearly state that any neutral nation may not move any of their units into or over any territory that they do not control (including neutrals), so if Russia is not at war at all they couldn’t move into Persia.

What I’d like to know though is if they can move into Persia if they declare war on Japan.  How about that one, Krieg?

I think they can, but that would be cheap

As long as the USSR is at war with someone, it can claim/invade neutral territories.

Clever.  Thank you, Krieg.

They may simply declare war on Japan however without actually having to attack any Japanese territories, leaving the Amur/Manchuria stalemate as is and simply allowing them to occupy pro-Allied Persia and possibly attack pro-Axis Iraq (or Finland and Bulgaria if Germany is silly), correct?

I also wonder if their At War NO also applies to being at war with anyone or if that will only apply to being at war with European Axis nations.  Otherwise I can see a R1 DoW against Japan being standard simply for them to get the NO and be able to move into neutral territories.

@SAS:

They may simply declare war on Japan however without actually having to attack any Japanese territories, leaving the Amur/Manchuria stalemate as is and simply allowing them to occupy pro-Allied Persia and possibly attack pro-Axis Iraq (or Finland and Bulgaria if Germany is silly), correct?

Yup.

@SAS:

I also wonder if their At War NO also applies to being at war with anyone or if that will only apply to being at war with European Axis nations.  Otherwise I can see a R1 DoW against Japan being standard simply for them to get the NO and be able to move into neutral territories.

It only applies to European Axis powers.

Thanks Krieghund, Russia being able to invade neutrals (and how to do it) before its at war w/Euro axis will be a great tool.

One other thing, is Russia (when not at war w/Euro axis) able to pass through Denmark straight?

Yes, if Germany gives its permission.

@Krieghund:

Yes, if Germany gives its permission.

Which it won’t

@calvinhobbesliker:

@Krieghund:

Yes, if Germany gives its permission.

Which it won’t

Funny guys, does it have to be in writing?