Re: Field Marshal Games Pieces Project Discussion thread

@reloader-1:

…FMG has them covered by producing full sets of pieces, in the same colors but different tanks/planes/etc that come OOB.

Really?
I haven’t seen FMG make that particular statement. That they will not produce the same vehicles that WOTC did.

Please provide a quote indicating that decision has been made.
It will simplify a lot of threads herein.

@reloader-1:

The objectives are not mutually exclusive.

Really?
So in your opinon, FMG can produce a fleet of KV1s and Honeys instead of T-34s and Shermans and that business decision will give equal weight to satisfying people who want to entirely replace the OOB pieces?
Those people won’t mind having “less iconic” pieces on the map?

Hmmm no IMTO FMG has to have some idea of where they’re going with this project beyond cranking out neat looking toys and the supplement or replace decision is key to selecting sculpts.

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@allboxcars:

@reloader-1:

…FMG has them covered by producing full sets of pieces, in the same colors but different tanks/planes/etc that come OOB.

Really?
I haven’t seen FMG make that particular statement. That they will not produce the same vehicles that WOTC did.

Please provide a quote indicating that decision has been made.
It will simplify a lot of threads herein.

It has been stated by Jeremy of FMG several times over that they want to make sculpts, wherever possible that are NOT the same as the OOB A&A sculpts.  105 Pages in this thread plus the dozens of pages in other threads is too much to search through to prove the point to anyone.

I tried to look through like 20 pages and gave up - I know Jeremy said it (FMG), but I’ll leave it up to him to tell you that.

Ya know I thought 100+ pages but you say it’s blatantly obvious so clearly I won’t need to look thru all of them and besides Jeremy doesn’t post too often……

Anyway it couldn’t find that commitment to selecting different vehicles than WOTC did (forget about repeated “multiple times”)…

Actually THIS seems to be FMG’s guiding principle:

@FieldMarshalGames:

As for Naval units and Air units we will stick with the ICONIC types.

Now on certain specific units, FMG has another idea…
@FieldMarshalGames:

What do ya’l think about the Liberator?  It was actually the most common US bomber of the war and was produced more than an other US aircraft.  I want to do something DIFFERENT from the WOTC units.

But then what happened to the Italian bomber?
@FieldMarshalGames:

If I remember correctly…it is.  it is the same Italian bomber than comes with AA50

So personally I’d think if Jeremy has asserted anything it’s the principle of iconic choice eh?
@FieldMarshalGames:

Just wanted to mention also that I REALLY like the Corsair.  It was a fighter/Tac bomber.

If it was only up to me I would use it as the Tac bomber…  But Im sure most will wnat a more “iconic” Tac bomber for the USA.

I just don’t see this commitment to produce other models….

So maybe, since people are going on and on about what vehicles FMG should produce, it makes sense to raise the question with FMG eh?
For example, is there a point to researching and suggesting a Tank #1 AND a Tank #2 when that nation has a clearly iconic tank?

Anyway I leave you with this:
@FieldMarshalGames:

For the record I think the stock AAA pieces are great!  We just want to make something DELUXE and really cool… as well as being Historically accurate.

#639

It seems to me that FMG will replace some OOB pieces where it seems reasonable, but I am certain that there has not been any commitment to replace all OOB pieces.  Allboxcars has already summarized FMG’s posts on the subject, but I would just like to add that one of the Italian tank molds has already replicated the OOB M13/40 from AA50 (albeit with far greater detail of course).

Although I wouldn’t mind a number of OOB models replaced where there exists a reasonable alternative (German tank, Japanese CV, US CA, US Fighter, most UK naval units), I don’t want to see every single piece replaced simply for the sake of replacing them for house rules. Many players, myself included, will never use the poor quality WoTC pieces with the new FMG ones - thus, I think we will want our one set of playable pieces (FMG) to make use of units which strike a good balance between being iconic, seeing widespread use, and representing large-scale national production.

More later…

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@FieldMarshalGames:

The point is I want to do a DIFFERENT unit.  As it has been mentioned above, you can always mix your stock units to have more types!

As for the Italian bomber, Jeremy either didn’t recognize that the AA50 bomber was a Betty retread, or there was a disconnect with the sculptor on the image and what plane it actually was.

It was obviously always the intent that any retread shared unit mold would be revised for a nation specific unit mold, solving the AA50 problems of the russian navy, the italian navy, the italian airforce, transports, artillery, etc.

As the project has grown (it was originally for AA50) and there has been more input from the community, I think that Jeremy has become more open/interested/committed to finding iconic units that haven’t yet been represented for diversity.  Obviously there will be a repeats - I doubt there is a suitable german carrier besides the Graf Zeppelin.  But I think striving to fill gaps in representation (FW190, Hurricane, P51) and not limiting the project to remolds of the BF109, Spitfire or Hellcat/Lightning will make a more interesting collection and each of those planes were as important or more important.  The Scharnhorst was a beautiful ship, the japanese had far more important carrier classes, the yamato class was hardly a workhorse and was rarely engaged, so why treat the OOB molds as the “iconic” weapons just because they were the biggest and baddest of the technology.  Bismark had ONE engagement, Shinano was sunk during trials, and the Yamato rarely left the Sea of Japan.

I can’t speak to armor, but I imagine there have to be equally deserving units to mold and I think more people are interested in working these into games with their existing units that aren’t mismolded rather than doing a blanket switch.  The Italians DID use the BF109, after all.

Ahh yes. Thanks.
Actually I had it in there at one point but removed it as Jeremy was speaking about the Liberator and I already had a quote capturing his intent with that.

Anyway, I guess time will tell what FMG produces and until then wish lists will run amok, be bumped, be forgotten, be regurgitated etc.

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About the Italian bomber.  When FMG first showed the new sculpt for the Italian bomber and it turned out looking like the G4M Betty like WOTC did in the Anniversary game, there was a lot of discussion about it and questions about what Italian plane to use.  After quite a bit of back and forth discussion, Jeremy finally came out and specifically said FMG is making the SM 79 for the Italian bomber.  The one that they already made I believe they are going to use for the Japanese bomber because it looks just like the G4M.

The bomber FMG showed was the G4M betty…so it will be the japanese bomber. There was an error because they used the AA50 italian bomber piece to create the mold, and it turned out that piece was the same as the japanese bomber… courtesy of WOTC…

So the italian bomber will be the Savoia Marchetti SM79.

@Dagon81:

The bomber FMG showed was the G4M betty…so it will be the japanese bomber. There was an error because they used the AA50 italian bomber piece to create the mold, and it turned out that piece was the same as the japanese bomber… courtesy of WOTC…

So the italian bomber will be the Savoia Marchetti SM79.

This is correct.  I expect the new sculpt to be complete by the end of the week, along with the Italian Sub.

@FieldMarshalGames:

@Dagon81:

The bomber FMG showed was the G4M betty…so it will be the japanese bomber. There was an error because they used the AA50 italian bomber piece to create the mold, and it turned out that piece was the same as the japanese bomber… courtesy of WOTC…

So the italian bomber will be the Savoia Marchetti SM79.

This is correct.  I expect the new sculpt to be complete by the end of the week, along with the Italian Sub.

Wow… I’m all giddy, my brushes and paints are shaking in anticipation!  I’m still loving the truck!

Are we to expect an italian halftrack unit or only the truck?

@Dagon81:

Are we to expect an italian halftrack unit or only the truck?

There will be a MecInf unit…  It will not be a Halftrack however as Italy did not use Halftracks very often (uless they were given by Germany).  There will be a unit that will clearly signify the MecInf unit… but it is not a Halftrack.

@FieldMarshalGames:

I wanted to use this for the NEW AA Gun re: Bofors 15CM .  It is the only weapon used by all Axis and Allied Nations in the Second World War.

Thoughts?

The AA gun used by all sides during the war was the Bofors 40mm L/60 gun. The only exception was the Soviets who used a 37mm Bofors gun.

There actually was a 15cm Bofors gun (152mm), but it was a naval gun designed in 1939 to be fitted on light cruisers.

@Lozmoid:

As for German SPGs, I think either the Hummel or the Wespe. I believe the Stug III was an Assault Gun, and the Elephant (or Ferdinand) was a Tank Destroyer.

The line between Assault Guns and Tank Destroyers became increasingly blurry as the war progressed, actually. The Stug III was an Assault Gun but ended up destroying its fair share of tanks. They also had the Nashorn, wich was a Tank Destroyer, and was supposed to be replaced by the Jagdpanzer IV. But some, like Guderian, believed that the JgdPzr IV was unnecessary, since the Stug III sufficed in the role of destroying tanks. Talk about confusing. Then throw Elephant and Jagdpanther into the mix…

Try reading up on the subject of german Tank Destroyers and Assault Guns, you’ll end up with more questions than when you started.  :-D

The ITALIAN halftrack shown was very uncommon in the Italian Army.  There is another vehicle that they more commonly used for their motorized units (Besides the truck)…  There were more than 20,000 of these built and were used in all Theaters where the Italians were engaged 1936-1943.

Not a halftrack or a bike…  Likewise JAPAN also did not use halftracks often and used one of these also.

The Italian halftrack was limited to Northern Italy RE: “The Breda Typo 61 was used by Wehrmacht in North italy.”

I love armored cars! Good job FMG!

Sounds like FMG did their homework.  Still, what is it?

Would it be the Autoblinda AB43, by any chance?