What are the alternatives if say Algeria is too well fortified for the allies to land in it on turn 1. If protected to the fullest extent, germany could have 6 land units, and 4-6 planes and a bomber there, if they stack it up.
But where do the allies go. Do they just hang out in UK?
I am not familiar with Allies because I rarely play them. But I am sick of getting backdoored by an allied stack in Algeria. If you try to clear the stack out, it undermines your African campaign. Plus I am sick of the same ol’ same ol’ moves by the allies. It typically evolves into a cookie-cutter game.
Personally, I have never played a game where Germany stacks up on Algeria on turn one. And if he does, to have a LOT of units there, he would have to leave Libya clear, and bring units from Western Europe/Southern Europe/Germany, so he would leave some of those territories with less units. Even so, with the UK you can hit Algeria pretty hard on the first turn. 2 Transports (w/ units…and only if Germany didn’t destroy the one in SZ1) + Battleship + Bomber.
What are the alternatives if say Algeria is too well fortified for the allies to land in it on turn 1. If protected to the fullest extent, germany could have 6 land units, and 4-6 planes and a bomber there, if they stack it up.
But where do the allies go. Do they just hang out in UK?
I am not familiar with Allies because I rarely play them. But I am sick of getting backdoored by an allied stack in Algeria. If you try to clear the stack out, it undermines your African campaign. Plus I am sick of the same ol’ same ol’ moves by the allies. It typically evolves into a cookie-cutter game.
If Germany has 6 Fighters in Algeria then they are not doing everything right … and if they are stacked in Algeria then that means that Egypt is intact which is great for Allies in which case I would bring the UK Indian Fleet into the Med. Sea and just wait til US2 to attack Algeria with a large force that I built on US1. You are simply putting WAY too much into Africa and you are gonna get hurt somewhere in Europe because of it.
I cannot think of any viable German strat that would leave Algeria stacked in such a way as to precliude even a UK landing in Algeria, let alone a 1-2 hit.
If you put a stack in Algeria, you undermined your Africa campaign anyways.
Anyways, the Allies can consolidate to the sea zone southwest of UK, then take Norway on US2, and set up containment of Germany through Norway/Karelia/Eastern Europe, or feeding units into Moscow through Archangel.
If you play with a bid, you can put units in Libya to threaten Anglo-Egypt with 3-4 ground units and air, while your Atlantic sub and Mediterranean fleet unite off Gibraltar; the Med fleet and fighters at Western Europe and fighter(s) and bomber landing in Libya make any Allied attack on Algieria very costly.
I have to join the chorus. The Allies would be rubbing their hands in anticipation of a weakened Europe and an intact Egypt. To continue your assault of Africa, you’d have to move a lot of materiel via transports in the Med. This is very time-consuming, plus the Allies can bypass Algeria and land at French West or French Equitorial Africa to block your African campaign and reinforce Egypt as the keystone of their blockade.
Anyways, the Allies can consolidate to the sea zone southwest of UK
Just thinking out of the box, but if they consolidate where you are saying, doesn’t that give the opportunity to consolidate the german fleet on the second turn? Right in front of WE? Isn’t this the goal of every German player to get his fleet together as early as possible to throw it at the Allied fleet. If you can get the fleet together, and attack the allied fleet early enough, it can set the UK back three turns and/or take them right out of the European Campaign. Makes sense. Any US fleet that is over there consists of two trannies and a DD. That would get swallowed up.
This whole post had an underlying meaning that I wanted us to sort of stumble on. If the Allied fleet does not consolidate off the coast of Algeria, then it opens the door for a consolidated German fleet on G2. Almost everytime I have managed to consolidate the fleet, It always gives the allies a hard time in the European waters. Without a European allied fleet, Germany Is free to focus on Russia. So the next question for you all would be, how does Germany deter the allies from blocking Algerian waters? Or better yet, what can Germany do to consolidate it’s fleet as early as possible?
The only way you are getting 6 land units in Algeria on Germany 1 without a bid is if you for-go Egypt. Now I have a British fleet in SZ 15 which consists of 2 Fighters, Transport, 2 Destroyers which is pretty significant.
Meanwhile, I have no moved the Egyptians out of range of the Germans to form a rather nice army in the Middle East.
Anyways, the Allies can consolidate to the sea zone southwest of UK
Just thinking out of the box, but if they consolidate where you are saying, doesn’t that give the opportunity to consolidate the german fleet on the second turn? Right in front of WE? Isn’t this the goal of every German player to get his fleet together as early as possible to throw it at the Allied fleet. If you can get the fleet together, and attack the allied fleet early enough, it can set the UK back three turns and/or take them right out of the European Campaign. Makes sense. Any US fleet that is over there consists of two trannies and a DD. That would get swallowed up.
This whole post had an underlying meaning that I wanted us to sort of stumble on. If the Allied fleet does not consolidate off the coast of Algeria, then it opens the door for a consolidated German fleet on G2. Almost everytime I have managed to consolidate the fleet, It always gives the allies a hard time in the European waters. Without a European allied fleet, Germany Is free to focus on Russia. So the next question for you all would be, how does Germany deter the allies from blocking Algerian waters? Or better yet, what can Germany do to consolidate it’s fleet as early as possible?
(its) fleet.
Germany can play with an African bid and send its Med fleet west. Why do you need an African bid? I’ve explained it before a few times; I ought to put up a website or something with the explanation.
1. The German battleship and transport must move together. The transport is an extra hit that has to be taken down, so it protects the battleship. The battleship obviously escorts the transport.
2. The transport should be used to take Gibraltar. If this is not done, the Allies can attack from London with 2 fighters 1 bomber to sink the Med fleet.
3. You must take Anglo-Egypt. If you do not, UK can use that fighter to reinforce the UK Pacific fleet, and the ground units to reinforce Africa - alternatively, they can consolidate to Africa, move the Indian fleet into the Mediterranean, retreat the Mediterranean destroyer to the Indian Ocean to make a serious fleet, all sorts of nasty stuff.
4. If the Med fleet goes west, you MUST have African units. Assuming Ukraine is taken, all you can attack Anglo-Egypt with will be 1 infantry, 1 tank, 1 fighter, and 1 bomber against 1 infantry, 1 tank, and 1 fighter. That is horribly risky for the Germans, and there is a good chance that Germany will be forced to choose between keeping a fighter and keeping a tank to take Anglo-Egypt - and that’s the “GOOD” scenario for Germany; the bad scenario is that the attack fails and Germany loses air. Regardless, UK takes back Anglo-Egypt next turn. So it’s really not “good” scenario or “bad” scenario depending on luck. It’s more like “extremely bad” and “total disaster”. What Germany can do to help is have an extra infantry and artillery or tank that can hit Anglo-Egypt. Now Germany can take Anglo-Egypt comfortably; even if UK takes back (still likely), Germany will almost certainly not be at risk of losing air.
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If you consolidate off France with the German fleet, I build up air and light navy to counter. Now the Germans have to reinforce their navy; if they stay where they are, the Allies pull two attacks; one hit and run, and one killing attack that destroys the German navy. If the Germans attack the Allied navy, any surviving German navy will be destroyed by Allied air.
So there are five or six choices for Germany; the main ideas are that Germany must reinforce or retreat.
1. W. Europe IC for instant reinforcement of Germany’s navy. Allows Germany to mostly empty W. Europe of ground to be used on the eastern front. However, Germany is racing the UK and the US for navy while fighting off the Russians. Very difficult.
2. Germany builds reinforcement in Baltic. Probably impossible because if the German main fleet is at W. Europe, any Baltic build can be instantly be destroyed by UK and/or US air.
3. Germany builds reinforcement at Southern Europe. Impractical because it takes two turns to reach W. Europe.
4. Germany retreats to Baltic. Allies set up transport chain from East Canada to Algeria. (ground units are produced at Eastern US and moved to Eastern Canada next turn. On the turn after that, US transports pick up the East Canada units and move them to Algeria. Once this starts going, it keeps going). Now Germany is faced with hit and runs in Western and Southern Europe. (Both Western and Southern Europe have to be protected. If a medium amount of forces are used, that is a LOT less on the eastern front. If only a few infantry hold the country, the UK and US can take both territories and keep trading with Germany.
5. Germany retreats to the Mediterranean. The Germans will probably control Africa for most of the rest of the game, but now the Allies go for the Norway / Archangel / Karelia / Eastern Europe attack. If Moscow is being pressured, the Allies can transport masses of infantry to Archangel that can reach Moscow on the next turn. If Moscow is not being immediately pressured, the Allies can take Norway, then start transporting in mass ground units to hold Karelia, Eastern Europe, etc. The Allies will probably have to pull back to Norway at some point, but a massive force in northern Europe is something that Germany will have to deal with.
Naval consolidation is a good move if you can do it with Germany, but it’s hard to stop the Allied counter.
