German Strategy

[Snackbar]

I doubt that would be sufficient to wipe out the Southern German Army and if it is you still would have a considerable force to take Belgium, Picardy and Lorraine without the chance of being countered as the France army would be stuck in Piedmont. France will really need to send everything leaving their northern front unguarded. Austria can reinforce Piedmont on their turn

Alternatively you could move your force to Venice and join forces with Austria in Tuscany. Buying a battleship each turn with Austria will keep USA at bay.

[Cornwallis]

@Snackbar:

I doubt that would be sufficient to wipe out the Southern German Army and if it is you still would have a considerable force to take Belgium, Picardy and Lorraine without the chance of being countered as the France army would be stuck in Piedmont. France will really need to send everything leaving their northern front unguarded

Alternatively you could move your force to Venice and join forces with Austria in Tuscany. Buying a battleship each turn with Austria will keep USA at bay.

And you hold of the russians with the other half of your german and AH army?
So Italy is the main target? I once captured Moskou and italy and still had all 3 CP capitals. But it still wasn’t enough to win because the british were ad 50 (some landings in balkans) and the US could recapture italy in a turn or 2.

[Snackbar]

yes your army would be large enough to take Russian territories and/or at least hold your ground. Berlin army would still move to Silesia.

Normally what happens with Germany is that you would take Belgium on your first turn and stack it. France and the Uk will stack Picardy, resulting in your German army being stuck there and it not move for many turns.

With moving an army to Swiss you are free to exploit any possibility that may occur. If France would stack Burgundy then you can stack Swiss with additional Austrian armies or move to Alsace with a combined German army. Atleast the frontline is closer and your supply lines from Vienna are shorter. From Swiss you are threatening 4 allied territories.

[KimRYoung]

By moving a large force to Swiss on your first turn your army is still flexible to go out all directions. If France aids Piedmont and Italy’s army there doesn’t move then you will be facing max 13 infantry, 4 artillery from Tuscany, Piedmont and Burgundy. France will need to reinforce Burgundy and Marseilles at the same turn. The good thing is that there army is spread among many countries. On the other hand you can attack Piedmont with 18-1 (loss in Swiss battle) infantry 6 artillery and one fighter.

Snackbar,
last game we played the CP tried pretty much this idea. Austria captured Switzerland on her turn, then every German that could get there moved in. It did look impressive and threatened from the central position. The French countered with moving teh army from Burgandy and fighter in to Piedmont, and the Italians reinforced. France then massed everthing else in Burgandy.

The Austrians on there own could not attack either. The Germans tried, but couldn’t make any headway either and could not get enough reinforments to the front to push through either way against a combined Italian-French force. the allies also had air superiority fighting defensivly and German losses mounted quickly.

Of course this was just one game, so another try with some variation could change the outcome, but the inital though was it looked better then it actually turned out.

Kim

[Snackbar]

@KimRYoung:

By moving a large force to Swiss on your first turn your army is still flexible to go out all directions. If France aids Piedmont and Italy’s army there doesn’t move then you will be facing max 13 infantry, 4 artillery from Tuscany, Piedmont and Burgundy. France will need to reinforce Burgundy and Marseilles at the same turn. The good thing is that there army is spread among many countries. On the other hand you can attack Piedmont with 18-1 (loss in Swiss battle) infantry 6 artillery and one fighter.

Snackbar,
last game we played the CP tried pretty much this idea. Austria captured Switzerland on her turn, then every German that could get there moved in. It did look impressive and threatened from the central position. The French countered with moving teh army from Burgandy and fighter in to Piedmont, and the Italians reinforced. France then massed everthing else in Burgandy.

The Austrians on there own could not attack either. The Germans tried, but couldn’t make any headway either and could not get enough reinforments to the front to push through either way against a combined Italian-French force. the allies also had air superiority fighting defensivly and German losses mounted quickly.

Of course this was just one game, so another try with some variation could change the outcome, but the inital though was it looked better then it actually turned out.

Kim

Perhaps you are correct. But in this scenario Austria does not attack Swiss but Venice instead and Germany takes Swiss. I think this is a big difference.

[KimRYoung]

Perhaps you are correct. But in this scenario Austria does not attack Swiss but Venice instead and Germany takes Swiss. I think this is a big difference.

Possibly. would need to try that. I our game though, the French still had enough reserves to send 6 units to Albania to open a frooont in the Balkens diverting Austrian and Turkish forces that way. These units could just as easily have gone to Piedmont to make it even stronger.

It looks like interesting strategies for sure, but there’s no sure game winner. I think it needs to be played more rather then theroized.

Thanks
Kim

[Snackbar]

@KimRYoung:

Perhaps you are correct. But in this scenario Austria does not attack Swiss but Venice instead and Germany takes Swiss. I think this is a big difference.

Possibly. would need to try that. I our game though, the French still had enough reserves to send 6 units to Albania to open a frooont in the Balkens diverting Austrian and Turkish forces that way. These units could just as easily have gone to Piedmont to make it even stronger.

It looks like interesting strategies for sure, but there’s no sure game winner. I think it needs to be played more rather then theroized.

Thanks
Kim

True. The big advantage of this scenario is that Germany has mobilized a larger part of its army instead of conducting a trenches war

[Snackbar]

Swiss strategy is the answer. First Axis win

[xxstefanx]

There is no such thing as “Swiss strategy”.

If you don’t make Switzerland impassable then all German Munich Forces take Switzerland every game and with that Switzerland is out already.

The point is how to continue!

[Snackbar]

@xxstefanx see the earlier comments in this thread

Swiss is attacked by both Munich and Alsace army, from Swiss, Piedmont was next, which was the end destination of the German army in Italy as the France intervened. However by doing so, France was not able to attack Germany in the West and the Austrians were able to press through Venice, to Tuscany and Rome. Austria attacks Venice in turn one with everything possible. All, but one infantry from Vienna, are sent to aid the Italian Austrian forces as well.

Both Serbia and Romania are attacked by Austria.

Germany sents all units from Hanover, Berlin to the East, but one infantry, which moves to Munich with the fighter of Berlin. Fighter aids the German Italian contingent. All German purchases are meant for the East.

[GeneralTuna]

@Snackbar:

@xxstefanx see the earlier comments in this thread

Swiss is attacked by both Munich and Alsace army, from Swiss, Piedmont was next, which was the end destination of the German army in Italy as the France intervened. However by doing so, France was not able to attack Germany in the West and the Austrians were able to press through Venice, to Tuscany and Rome. Austria attacks Venice in turn one with everything possible. All, but one infantry from Vienna, are sent to aid the Italian Austrian forces as well.

Both Serbia and Romania are attacked by Austria.

Germany sents all units from Hanover, Berlin to the East, but one infantry, which moves to Munich with the fighter of Berlin. Fighter aids the German Italian contingent. All German purchases are meant for the East.

What about the rest of the Western Front?  That is a very long line to defend.  Does Germany just sacrifice that territory in order to kill italy?

[Gargantua]

@almashir:

Chacmool,

I’m with you on Switzerland.  I don’t know that it needs to be impassable, but it shouldn’t be the preferred expressway everyone uses as a shortcut to Grandma’s house either.  It should be more of a congested toll road that’s under construction with only one toll booth open, to represent the mountains, forests, lakes, rivers, and angry Swiss with guns and fortress tunnels dug into the rocks.Â

I’m not sure what to do to achieve that, however.  Give the Swiss a bigger army than their economic value would indicate?  Apply an economic penalty to the attacker to represent an embargo from neutral countries whose leaders are afraid of their numbered bank accounts going away?

If Germany invades Switzerland, bring USA 1 turn closer to D.O.W.

[Snackbar]

@Tyberius:

@Snackbar:

@xxstefanx see the earlier comments in this thread

Swiss is attacked by both Munich and Alsace army, from Swiss, Piedmont was next, which was the end destination of the German army in Italy as the France intervened. However by doing so, France was not able to attack Germany in the West and the Austrians were able to press through Venice, to Tuscany and Rome. Austria attacks Venice in turn one with everything possible. All, but one infantry from Vienna, are sent to aid the Italian Austrian forces as well.

Both Serbia and Romania are attacked by Austria.

Germany sents all units from Hanover, Berlin to the East, but one infantry, which moves to Munich with the fighter of Berlin. Fighter aids the German Italian contingent. All German purchases are meant for the East.

What about the rest of the Western Front?  That is a very long line to defend.  Does Germany just sacrifice that territory in order to kill italy?

Basically yes, Germany plays defensively against France. The supply-line between Berlin and the German armies will be shorter and Austria, which will be making over 40 IPC, can easily aid Germany from Vienna.

[almashir]

Gargantua wrote:

“If Germany invades Switzerland, bring USA 1 turn closer to D.O.W.”

I think I like that.  It’s simple, and it doesn’t involve a special rule to give Switzerland a bigger army than its IPC value would indicate.  But it might have to be two turns, or maybe instantaneous, to be a real deterrent.  I guess that would have to be tested.