@mhal21 I don’t play poison gas warfare for one simple reason. Poison gas was not as much of a thing as people think it was in WWI. Yes it was terrifying and it made the headlines when it happened, but the estimates are that around 150 000 casualties happened due to gas, which is something like 2-3 days of a huge battle on the Western front.
I know some people have dabbled with it so there is stuff out there. You might want to hop on the Axis and Allies Facebook page to ask your question !
House rule for Cruisers: Global 1940
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@Young:
One thing for sure, it will make the decision of removing casualies even more difficult.
I think this is the best part of your idea. Instead of always going for that first hit on the battleship now you have to weigh your options. I can see a player buying more destroyers to absorb the hits so your combo battleship/cruiser can last longer with the higher dice roll.
Good idea.
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I had a tech for Cruisers a while back
Flack Batteries: “Cruisers that roll 1 during combat may be assign that hit to enemy an aircraft if possible”
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Well we know where that came from, or the idea of them moving 3 spaces with or without a NB ( in case somebody brings this idea up).
Just sayin…
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Take it to the patent office IL.
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@Imperious:
I didn’t say i had these idea first, i just made them public first.
:roll:
@Imperious:
I just don’t want somebody saying i took these ideas, when i had them first. I care about that.
@Imperious:
Funny how these rules are so much like my game. I am posting this only for prosperity so nobody can say who had the idea first.
@Imperious:
I am only protecting the fact that or when somebody says in our game: “did you get this idea from Larry?” i want to be sure who had this idea first so its not me looking like I just got this from Larry. Our game is original.
Protip: When you can’t keep track of what you say, it’s probably a good idea to say a lot less.
LOL, no kidding Oz. I wonder how far he’ll cause the line-up to stack.
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In my opinion (and within our group) players prefer purchasing cruisers vs. battleships. We prefer to pay the few extra IPCs to have 2 cruisers as opposed to a single battleship. I like the statistical odds of 2 rolls each turn at a 50% vs. 1 roll at 66.6%. Plus a damaged battleship drops your odds below 50%. It also allows to spread the cost over turns rather than one large chunk of cash all at once. This allows me to do more with my money each turn. This tactic alows you to divide your forces more effectively too. Don’t get me wrong I love battleships, but can never bring myself to purchasing them. I’m sure not everyone shares my view on this, but that’s my two cents. :-)
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http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=11992.msg322170#msg322170
(reference to cruisers getting AA shot at 1)
Even back in 2008.
2007 Cruisers moving 3 with 1 AA shot
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I think giving Cruisers AA capabilities is a pretty good idea. Treat each cruiser like a sea-going AA gun: each defending cruiser gets up to 3 shots at attacking aircraft (or 1 per plane if less than 3) before combat starts. This way each ship has it’s own special abilities. Subs have surprise strike, Destroyers have ASW capabilities, Cruisers have AA capabilities, Battleships take 2 hits and Carriers carry planes.
We house ruled this but we keep forgetting to use it in games. I bet it will make Germany’s sinking of the Royal Navy a little different round 1. Also, the British attack of Taranto (SZ 97) might not go so well.
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Not sure how I feel about this, but I do like it better then giving cruisers +1 when paired with Battleships.
I am just not convinced every unit needs a special power.
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Like knp pointed out, AA cruisers would badly mess up balance of the game in the first round because there are some important potential airstrikes on sea zones with cruisers in them at setup (z110, z111, z93, z97, pearl harbor?).
YGs cruisers that attack @4 with a battleship obviously has no impact on these except maybe a J1 pearl harbour which is pretty uncommon.
If you allow cruisers to take an extra hit when paired with a destroyer, z111 would be a little tougher so maybe UK scrambles or perhaps Germany diverts 1 more attacker to z111 instead of z110. Germany less likely to airstrike z93. No impact at all on z97 Taranto raid. So a small edge toward the allies in the opening round.
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So what are the cons of the paring rule?
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You have to buy battleships to get the bonus.
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Here’s a little update. We started a game of Global 40 last night and this time remembered to use our AA Cruiser house rule. Germany’s attack on the Royal Navy was very interesting.
Round 1 German buy: 1 CV, 1 DD, 1 SS.
SZ 111: Germany - 1 BB, 1 SS, 1 Ftr, 1 Tac, 1 Bomb. UK - 1 BB, 1 CA, 1 DD, 1 Ftr (scramble from Scotland) UK BB and Ftr survived (BB damaged), Germany retreated 1 Tac and 1 Bomb. UK Cruiser scored 1 AA hit on German Ftr.
SZ 110: Germany - 3 Ftr, 3 Tac, 1 Bomb. UK - 1 BB, 2 CA (1 French), 3 Ftr (2 UK, 1 Fre scrambled from United Kindom). UK BB and 1 Ftr survived (BB damaged), Germany retreated 1 Ftr and 1 Bomb. French Cruiser scored 1 AA hit on German Tac.
German NCM: 1 CA 1 Trn SZ 114 > SZ 112, 1 Tac SZ 111 > SZ 112, 1 Ftr SZ 110 > SZ 112. Placed CV, DD, SS in SZ 112.Round 1 UK: Repaired BB in SZ 110. Attacked German fleet SZ 112 with 2 BB (1 damaged), 1 DD (SZ 109), 2 Ftr (1 Scotland, 1 England), 1 Bomb (England). Admittedly bad dice for Germany resulted in German fleet destroyed with UK losing 1 DD, 1 Ftr and damage to 1 BB. UK survived with 2 damaged BBs, 1 Ftr and 1 Bomb. German Cruiser AA shot missed UK planes (more bad luck).
SEALION delayed indefinitely.Also, Japan attacked US fleet around Hawaii. US Cruiser scored 1 AA hit on Japanese Ftr. When the US attacked the Japanese in same SZ, Japanese cruiser did not score any AA hits.
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I’m not familiar with this AA flack from Cruisers rule, but it sounds like a game changer. My paring rule is just meant to increase the purchasing of cruisers, even if just slightly. BTW… I think our group players buy Battleships more often than others.
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I think Cruiser+Destroyer is a better buy than a Battleship.
However, a lot of the time I buy all 3 for the US in the pacific.
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Here’s a little update. We started a game of Global 40 last night and this time remembered to use our AA Cruiser house rule. Germany’s attack on the Royal Navy was very interesting.
Round 1 German buy: 1 CV, 1 DD, 1 SS.
SZ 111: Germany - 1 BB, 1 SS, 1 Ftr, 1 Tac, 1 Bomb. UK - 1 BB, 1 CA, 1 DD, 1 Ftr (scramble from Scotland) UK BB and Ftr survived (BB damaged), Germany retreated 1 Tac and 1 Bomb. UK Cruiser scored 1 AA hit on German Ftr.
SZ 110: Germany - 3 Ftr, 3 Tac, 1 Bomb. UK - 1 BB, 2 CA (1 French), 3 Ftr (2 UK, 1 Fre scrambled from United Kindom). UK BB and 1 Ftr survived (BB damaged), Germany retreated 1 Ftr and 1 Bomb. French Cruiser scored 1 AA hit on German Tac.
German NCM: 1 CA 1 Trn SZ 114 > SZ 112, 1 Tac SZ 111 > SZ 112, 1 Ftr SZ 110 > SZ 112. Placed CV, DD, SS in SZ 112.Round 1 UK: Repaired BB in SZ 110. Attacked German fleet SZ 112 with 2 BB (1 damaged), 1 DD (SZ 109), 2 Ftr (1 Scotland, 1 England), 1 Bomb (England). Admittedly bad dice for Germany resulted in German fleet destroyed with UK losing 1 DD, 1 Ftr and damage to 1 BB. UK survived with 2 damaged BBs, 1 Ftr and 1 Bomb. German Cruiser AA shot missed UK planes (more bad luck).
SEALION delayed indefinitely.Also, Japan attacked US fleet around Hawaii. US Cruiser scored 1 AA hit on Japanese Ftr. When the US attacked the Japanese in same SZ, Japanese cruiser did not score any AA hits.
Wow! AA cruisers pretty powerful
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…… Very Powerful.
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I’m interested in trying something different with cruisers as well, perhaps to better reflect their real world usage? Love the discussion so far. WW2 production stats show both America and UK produced about 6 times as many cruisers as battleships. There must be a good reason. Historically, cruisers could range the world’s oceans whereas destroyers had far less endurance, especially in stormy conditions (N Atlantic). I don’t know how this could be reflected unless fleets had limits on out-of-port use - like destroyers must begin or end a turn in port??? But that sounds like complicating the issue too much.
I’m new to the site but have been reading it for a while.
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They should only get one AA roll per combat round. That’s how we play it.
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