Crush England First - The War Story

[Jennifer]

sights not sites - that was the pun.

Anyway, no, the ANZAC fleet cannot stop it either.  You miss the point, you stack next to SZ 39 so that there can be no blocking of the Japanese fleet.  That’s why it takes as long as it does to do the maneuver, you have to ensure your strike team (6 or 12 ground units + whatever you can get to Burma that is not hit by the British + 21 planes against that pitiful band of rebels.)

So depending on what’s in India, you hit on round 4 instead of round 3, so you can get those 6 more ground forces (and the Yunan stack you probably have now) in range without worrying about a blocker.  England might help you out by stacking Burma…seen this A LOT of times.  Trade you 2 Fighters and a Tactical Bomber for 7 or 8 Infantry and your AA Guns any day of the week - as Corrigan!

As for Europe side, no, Germany causes England to fear for it’s life - so to speak, and Italy would have to follow up, but that’s a lot easier now that you dont have an Airbase in Gibraltar.  Odds are that British fleet is a Cruiser, a Carrier, a Fighter and a Tactical Bomber, perhaps a second cruiser and maybe if you hit SZ 96 with all air, you could have another destroyer - but to be honest, that usually goes to stop the submarine from attacking.  Against that Italy has 3 Fighters, Strategic Bomber, 2 Cruisers, Destroyer, Battleship which is a stronger position than England in the Med.

[Alsch91]

Well the 110 fleet will also swing down into 92.  I have slightly more, but Italy will have an airbase.

So with those positions, we’ll have a stalemate in the Med - neither able to destroy the other.  And that position favors the Allies, as I have a green monster coming to help me.

Note that I’m not disagreeing that Alpha 3 is unbalanced.  I also think it favors the Axis heavily.

I also see what you’re saying regarding India’s position.  I prefer to preserve my air power as the Axis, so I tend not to consider attacking ground stacks (Szechwan, Burma) with my planes.  I know it can be worth it, but there’s always the chance of total dice failure, and losing half my airforce for some infantry.  And I don’t like to put the fate of entire games on one-round battles.
I will say though, that I will force you to wait until at least round 4 to take India with my blockers.  That was my point.

And how are you using all 21 planes against India when you finally attack?  Where will you land? 
I guess if you’re hitting a stack in Burma with air, then yes, you will have Shan State to land in.  Just curious.  Because China will do its part to take back Yunnan and stop you from landing there.  Unless, again, you’re hitting Sze with air power.  But that’s an awful lot of planes to lose just for ground forces.

Just curious, again.

[Jennifer]

Oh, Airbase in Kwangsi.  I can land in Yunnan, Burma, Sham State or the fleet in SZ 39.  Sorry, I never got to putting down the Airbase.

Stalemate that early in the game favors Italy.  Italy can reinforce it’s fleet, England cannot.  It’ll be 3 rounds before America can even get into range and by then they have to worry about the German Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe before they can get to SZ 91.  That’s at least 2 submarines a round for 3 rounds, or 6 submarines which should be plenty of firepower to take out the British fleet.  Odds are England will retreat instead of stay and fight, once they do that, they have to keep going to be safe.

[Cow]

How do you take india round 3? don’t they turtle? (like not give you an attack outside of india or china side burma road)

It’s fairly easy to identify japan going for india. What round do you bring USA into war? Axis acts first and how you set up r1 gives things away.

What is the overall strategy of the allies that you play against? do they race the europe half vs japan in the pacific half? do they do a containment strategy?

Allies are trickier to play. But yeah 21 air units in range of burma… it’s pretty obvious to leave nothing there. I feel. considering 3 inf = 1 fighter kill… -1 TUV for Japan, is totally not worth the cannon fodder factor for holding india.

[special forces]

@Cow:

How do you take india round 3? don’t they turtle? (like not give you an attack outside of india or china side burma road)

It’s fairly easy to identify japan going for india. What round do you bring USA into war? Axis acts first and how you set up r1 gives things away.

What is the overall strategy of the allies that you play against? do they race the europe half vs japan in the pacific half? do they do a containment strategy?

Allies are trickier to play. But yeah 21 air units in range of burma… it’s pretty obvious to leave nothing there. I feel. considering 3 inf = 1 fighter kill… -1 TUV for Japan, is totally not worth the cannon fodder factor for holding india.

Indeed, with the old AA rules i liked sending units + an AA to Burma, provoking the Jap airforce, but with the new AA rules i’m not getting out of India much anymore…

Edit: also, if i was in Burma, and i see Japanese fleet (with TRP’s) withing range of Calcutta, you can count on it i’ll be running back.

[Cow]

You are one of the few good global players I’ve noticed special forces. Pretty solid play overall. I opened up a few of your games.

Gah I am still waiting for beta to start playing live games or triplea devs to finish coding this + figuring out how to not infringe copy rights. you guys are crazy for playing this game over a forum. I thought PBEM chess was bad lol.

[special forces]

@Cow:

You are one of the few good global players I’ve noticed special forces. Pretty solid play overall. I opened up a few of your games.

Gah I am still waiting for beta to start playing live games or triplea devs to finish coding this + figuring out how to not infringe copy rights. you guys are crazy for playing this game over a forum. I thought PBEM chess was bad lol.

Thanks, though you might be mistaking me with someone else, as i haven’t posted that much detailed strategy stuff here, nor played on the forum (though i might some day) :)

And me too, i’m also waiting for the triple AA Global adaptation.

[Cow]

hugh I thought I saw a game where you were playing axis.

fuk yeah trip a global adaptation would make this game playable for me lol. I mean I own the real life boards, but 15 hour + games are kind of nuts. Plus taking axis taking london over is rough for allies, logistically and otherwise. In the Pacific half, things are so weird.

I liked the pacific 1940 OOB, it was fun. Europe 1940 OOB was kind of bad, I liked the old death in europe board (which was okay for most). Combining the two made the game kind of strange. I never see europe 1940 half played alone.

[GeneralT]

@Cmdr:

D.  DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN YOU NEED!  Now is NOT the time to be greedy!  Take Egypt (IC for Italy) and the Middle East, take England and Scotland sure.  You dont need Gibraltar -fun, and be nice to get the Italian fleet out, but it also gives America a Naval Base later.  Remember, the allies can take any British territory for themselves, so don’t take it unless you can defend it!  Same for France!

Wait so once a country’s capitol falls its teritories can be captured and added to the IPC value of an ally? I must’ve missed that rule somewhere…

[Guest]

@GeneralT:

@Cmdr:

D.�  DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN YOU NEED!�  Now is NOT the time to be greedy!�  Take Egypt (IC for Italy) and the Middle East, take England and Scotland sure.�  You dont need Gibraltar -fun, and be nice to get the Italian fleet out, but it also gives America a Naval Base later.�  Remember, the allies can take any British territory for themselves, so don’t take it unless you can defend it!�  Same for France!

Wait so once a country’s capitol falls its teritories can be captured and added to the IPC value of an ally? I must’ve missed that rule somewhere…

Only if both the territory and the capitol were both taken by the other side.  For example, suppose Germany takes Paris and Japan takes French Indo China, and then USA takes it back.  Because Paris is occupied they don’t liberate FIC for France; instead they occupy it until Paris is liberated.  In the meantime, USA gets the IPCs, they can build an IC there and mobilize units, etc.  It is a good reason for the axis to never take FIC (or Western France for that matter) unless they intend to defend them (e.g. it really sucks when USA has the IC in Western France).

The same would go for some places like South Africa after sea lion,  Suppose London falls, then Italy takes it, then USA takes it back.  USA would occupy it until London is liberated.

[Guest]

does a foreign built ic become the power of the original country when there capital is liberated?

[Guest]

Yes I believe it does.  When a capitol is liberated, it gets control of all territories that are controlled by friendly powers and that would include any facilities on those territories.  So if USA has built an IC in FIC for example, it would become property of France when Paris is liberated (yet another reason to not liberate Paris lol)

[Guest]

thanks for the answer
too bad for the french:)
I think the norwegians would be more appreciative anyways:)

[theROCmonster]

PBEM does suck at times! Also agree with you alsch that the axis have the advantage. I just don’t like how America is supposed to do EVERYTHING. Like the allies can’t do anything much on their own without US being in their theatre. I’d love to see that airbase put back on gibralter and give UK a few more infantry to be realistic. I mean 336,000 men were evacuated from dunkirk. This is represented in 2 infantry divisions? They didn’t send their entire army to france as well. They had men and material left on UK to reinforce if necessary. To say that Germany starts off with 20 times more ground forces in europe than UK does in its own capital is ludicrous!

[Jennifer]

@Vance:

Yes I believe it does.  When a capitol is liberated, it gets control of all territories that are controlled by friendly powers and that would include any facilities on those territories.  So if USA has built an IC in FIC for example, it would become property of France when Paris is liberated (yet another reason to not liberate Paris lol)

Except for China.  If you liberate a Chinese territory (and if you are the allies you have too) all industrial complexes are removed.

[GeneralT]

@Vance:

@GeneralT:

@Cmdr:

D.�  DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN YOU NEED!�  Now is NOT the time to be greedy!�  Take Egypt (IC for Italy) and the Middle East, take England and Scotland sure.�  You dont need Gibraltar -fun, and be nice to get the Italian fleet out, but it also gives America a Naval Base later.�  Remember, the allies can take any British territory for themselves, so don’t take it unless you can defend it!�  Same for France!

Wait so once a country’s capitol falls its teritories can be captured and added to the IPC value of an ally? I must’ve missed that rule somewhere…

Only if both the territory and the capitol were both taken by the other side.  For example, suppose Germany takes Paris and Japan takes French Indo China, and then USA takes it back.  Because Paris is occupied they don’t liberate FIC for France; instead they occupy it until Paris is liberated.  In the meantime, USA gets the IPCs, they can build an IC there and mobilize units, etc.  It is a good reason for the axis to never take FIC (or Western France for that matter) unless they intend to defend them (e.g. it really sucks when USA has the IC in Western France).

The same would go for some places like South Africa after sea lion,  Suppose London falls, then Italy takes it, then USA takes it back.  USA would occupy it until London is liberated.  Â

Ah ok that makes sense. Ok thanks  :-) One more question… Is that an OOB rule or Alpha rule?

[Jennifer]

@GeneralT:

@Vance:

@GeneralT:

@Cmdr:

D.��  DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN YOU NEED!��  Now is NOT the time to be greedy!��  Take Egypt (IC for Italy) and the Middle East, take England and Scotland sure.��  You dont need Gibraltar -fun, and be nice to get the Italian fleet out, but it also gives America a Naval Base later.��  Remember, the allies can take any British territory for themselves, so don’t take it unless you can defend it!��  Same for France!

Wait so once a country’s capitol falls its teritories can be captured and added to the IPC value of an ally? I must’ve missed that rule somewhere…

Only if both the territory and the capitol were both taken by the other side.�  For example, suppose Germany takes Paris and Japan takes French Indo China, and then USA takes it back.�  Because Paris is occupied they don’t liberate FIC for France; instead they occupy it until Paris is liberated.�  In the meantime, USA gets the IPCs, they can build an IC there and mobilize units, etc.�  It is a good reason for the axis to never take FIC (or Western France for that matter) unless they intend to defend them (e.g. it really sucks when USA has the IC in Western France).

The same would go for some places like South Africa after sea lion,�  Suppose London falls, then Italy takes it, then USA takes it back.�  USA would occupy it until London is liberated.�  �Â

Ah ok that makes sense. Ok thanks  :-) One more question… Is that an OOB rule or Alpha rule?

It has been the rule for Classic, Revised, Anniversary and Global.