Also slowly working on making my own pieces and designs for my new resin printer. I’m going to open up an online store for new pieces, boards, rules, and other items in the near future.
United States Set from Historical Board Gaming!
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Tall Paul
A 100 percent Naval game that would pitch ships and air squadrons against each other would be awesome. You would most likely want D-12s.
This could eliminate the two hit battleship, make it a 4 hit ship instead. All ships would represent single units not an entire fleet of warships. You would have ports to build ships based on IPCs from controlled sea zones and Islands. If some player only wanted to build say Battleships let him, You could build a well balanced fleet that would totally defeat such a player. Convoy routes would have to be defended by Jeep carriers, Cruisers and Destroyers. Additional IPCs could be gained by say moving a 20 ship convoy from Pearl harbor to New Caladonia if 12 ships get thru to the seaport than you gain 12 or 24 IPCs. It might take 4 to 6 turns to make the crossing. This would give an aggressive IJN player if he had built the right forces several times to attack the same convoy. If he didn’t you would gain alot of IPCs in short order. You could even add wolf packs and super subs to a Naval game like this with ease. -
I was going to take on the task of making such a game ( Midway / Coral Sea) this winter, but it sounds like I better step it up. What do you say everybody? I will start a new thread for ideas on layout, rules, etc. so everyone can air ideas.
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I’m working on a Pearl Harbor game that will have some neat twists.
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“Coach”,
The Pearl Harbor attack is my primary interest in WW2. It being so unequal as the actual attack was it would seem an uphill challenge to make a game out of this.
@coachofmany:
I’m working on a Pearl Harbor game that will have some neat twists.
I guess you might have alternate storylines, such as the Americans were alerted before the attack or something???
I would be very interested in finding out what your neat twists might be???
There was an EXCELLENT book that just came out about Pearl Harbor only a few months ago. It was an analitical overview of the plan, it’s goals, and it’s execution,…down to the individual bomb hits/misses. It had a LOT of reasearch that went in to it. It de-bunked a lot of rumors and myths. I consider it a “MUST READ” and it tells what really specifically happenned. I’ll find it and give the title/author soon.
Anyway, Thanks again for all your work in making our A&A experiences better.
“Tall Paul”
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like the sub that got into the harbour and sank the arizona?
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cminke,
like the sub that got into the harbour and sank the arizona?
First off, the ARIZONA was NOT sunk by a sub, and after the sunken ship had a thorough inspection, was to a large degree of certainty believed not to have been struck by any torpedo in the attack.
I’m sure I know exactly what you’re making reference to. A picture showing the
“alleged” rooster tails of a subs screws after firing on the OKLAHOMA. I myself thought this might have some substance to it, especially as it was the subject of a TV show converning this. But you should really check out this book. All of the disenting viewpoints that contradicted what the producers of the “sensationallizing” TV show were deliberately NOT shown so as to extremely slant the viewpoint of the show. Get the book, read it, you will find out HISTORY the way it really happenned.It’s a real shame that so much of what the world knows about this attack is theory and/or myth which many people regard as FACT,…and therefore our HISTORY suffers.
The name of the book that I’m recommending is:
Attack on Pearl Harbor: Strategy, Combat, Myths, Deceptions. by Alan ZimmI just looked it up on Amazon Books. You should at least read the Product Description and Reviews even if you don’t by it.
This book is an IN-DEPTH research of all aspects of the battle and by his thorough analysis reaches significant conclusions. For example he completely accounts for all of the Japanese midget subs as well as other evidence to disprove the above
theory of a sub firing at the OKLAHOMA.The author starts with a clean slate and no predetermined bias or theories to prove and lets the evidence speak for itself. A few issues aren’t capable of being completely determined beyond any doubt and he says so.
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So there are some people that believe the Japs actually got a sub INTO Pearl Harbor? Interesting. I heard that the US Navy sunk a Jap sub but it was outside of the harbor.
A game that re-writes Pearl Harbor? That’s kind of interesting. Like what if the US was alerted and mobilized it’s battleships instead of having them all sitting there like prime targets? Or better yet, got some planes up into the air?
OR, what if the US carriers were in the harbor? Then it would be even worse for the US.
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The history channel or miltary channel had a show called Myths of Pearl harbour it was excellent. If you guys get a chance watch it. Very well done. They actually found the sub that we fired on with the shell hole in the turret. Kind a cool knowing that was the first shot fired in the Pacific conflict.
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YES,…There WAS a mini-sub that ENTERRED the harbor, shot a torpedo(a miss at a Cruiser), and was rammed by a Destroyer. However it did NOT fire at the USS ARIZONA or any of the other Battleships!
The book I just posted about, Attack on Pearl Harbor: Strategy, Combat, Myths, Deceptions by Alan Zimm accounts for ALL of the mini-subs, their accomplishments(if any), and their fate. It gives an analytical report coverring ALL aspects of the attack, practically down to every bomb or torpedo. It’s a real eye-opener and done through many personal interviews with IJN pilots, staff, US sailors and soldiers, and a LOT of RESEARCH ! One of the BEST books I’ve read in a long time. I wish every AMERICAN would either read this book, or have it taught to them in school. It debunks a lot of the myths concerning this very important battle.
Such As:
The attack was “brilliantly” planned and executed. A lot of information here. You will have your eyes opened.
No 3rd wave attack was ever requested by Fuchida. This is verified by the planner of the mission Genda, and several other leading pilots or ships staff that were “there” and had a large “Say” in the matter.
An attack on the Oil Tanks would NOT have forced the retreat of the fleet back to the US mainland coast. Admiral Nimitz said it would have,…but that was to “cover up” the existance of the underground oil storage facilities just coming into existance.
An attack on the Repair Shops and Facilities couldn’t have had any major effect on the fleets capabilities. For many, many reasons this attack couldn’t have been successful in even “denting” the repair capacities on Pearl Harbor.
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So much of what Americans mistakenly believe as “history” are what we see in the movies, correct or not. These movies are usually based on a book or books. Many of the historian/authors of the Pearl Harbor attack and the Battle of Midway were based on Fuchida’s book: “Midway, The Battle that Doomed Japan”(? I think I have the title correct) that has been proven by other Japanese to be a self-serving face-saver for him and his accomplishments.
To read a FANTASTIC book that really puts the record straight on these two battles, as well as many other facets of the Japanese Naval war effort, you should read:
Shatterred Sword, The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway", by Parshall and Tully–---------------------------
As far as “alternate” storylines for the “Coach’s” game,…
The Carrier USS ENTERPRISE was expected to have been back at Pearl Harbor on Saturday Dec. 6, 1941 but was delayed due to heavy weather. This is what happenned in REAL LIFE. The “Coach” might say it wasn’t delayed by weather, or was “alerted” to the unfolding attack in his game.
The attack on the Japanese mini-sub just off the harbor entrance by the Destroyer USS WARD and a PBY seaplane was acted upon quickly without waiting for confirmation and the alarm was sounded(as it should have been).
The report of a large incoming air formation from the radar station on Opana Point(?) was believed and acted upon(as it should have been).
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Their are so many Ifs and Possibilities that I guess it would make for an VERY INTERESTING “what if” game. Plus, I’d love to see the A&A sized “Old” Battleships that “Coach” has proposed to make. The book mentioned above also gives several differrent possible outcomes due to changed possibilities.
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“Coach”,…Sign me up as a DEFINATE SALE ! I will buy your Pearl Harbor Game because it sounds like it would be so much FUN and have so many differrent possible outcomes.
Do we get any more hints about it,…or when you might release it for sale???
“Tall Paul”
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The history channel or miltary channel had a show called Myths of Pearl harbour it was excellent. If you guys get a chance watch it. Very well done. They actually found the sub that we fired on with the shell hole in the turret. Kind a cool knowing that was the first shot fired in the Pacific conflict.
You can find it online here:
http://documentaryheaven.com/the-myths-of-pearl-harbour/
There’s also a decent doco out there about the midget subs that got into Sydney Harbour in an attempt to sink allied shipping. I can’t remember the name of it though.
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tall paul,
thanks for reminding me…i was doubting my own facts(does not happen often.)
i think you saw the same documentay as me on the decovery chaned about the “fish tails”.
all i could reber was ARIZONA so i just took a shot at it (i missed :P) -
or was it the histoy chanel… i can remember :P
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cminke,
Yes, I’m certain it was the same show you’re talking about. I certainly NOT call it a documentary though. After reading about how the producers of that show intentionally deleted any and all evidence that conflicted with the SENSATIONALIZED program, I would call it what it is,…a TV show made simply for the ratings by sensationallizing (and falsely slanting) the story.
By the way, if you have even the slightest interest in the Attack on Pearl Harbor you should at least look at the Product Description and Reviews of it on Amazon Books,…even if you don’t buy it. It’s REALLY worth it’s price, though. Great Book!
Are you interested in the “Coach’s” Pearl Harbor game like I am? It sounds like it could be a very interesting game that might not ever have the same outcome. A bit refreshing if you ask me. And all of the COOL old Battleship in A&A scale! I hope we will all be able to “Climb Mount Tanaka” and have our very own “Tora, Tora, Tora” games soon(Hint, Hint, “Coach”).
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I think that should read “Mt. Nataka”. But at this point, I’m too tired to spell even my own name correctly. haha.
“Tall Paul”
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Actually it was “Climb Mount Niitaka” :-)
-Slainte
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Orizen,
You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I mispelled the name. But I invite you to refer to the the next 14 words I typed.
Orizen, I’m actually thankful you corrected my spelling error because, as the serious student of History that I am, I want the correct info passed on to everyone. Thanks.
And I will again repeat my sincere request thatI hope the “Coach” will release his Pearl Harbor game soon,…or at least give us some updates on it.
Like I Say,……What Do YA’LL Think???
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ya coach!!
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Tall Paul,
Wakarimasu! I was a little fuzzy myself and had to double check to make sure about that second “i” :-D
Do itashimashite.
I also echo your sentiments on the Pearl Harbor game and add a call for Coral Sea and Midway!-Slainte
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“Coach”’
May I request you to make a new thread about your futurePearl Harbor game I don’t know where you are along with it, or how much time you have to devote to it,…but it seems that there would be enough interest in it to warrant a thread of it’s own so we could keep up with any developements. Thanks for listening.
“Tall Paul”
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@Tall:
“Coach”’
May I request you to make a new thread about your futurePearl Harbor game I don’t know where you are along with it, or how much time you have to devote to it,…but it seems that there would be enough interest in it to warrant a thread of it’s own so we could keep up with any developements. Thanks for listening.
“Tall Paul”
I will,
I am very busy this week trying to ready for a 7 day vacation so no orders will go out after Friday morning for the next 8 days.
I need some time off, 80 hour work weeks are taking their toll on me. I will start the Pearl Harbor game thread when I get back.
I will also start the Axis Minor pre-order and give you more information on the next set after the U.S sculpts that I have already posted. The “Neutral” set will be done in 6 colors and will have some totally different pieces than you have seen so far. I will also be posting a poll for the next set.
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