Italy a bad design

[chompers]

@calvinhobbesliker:

Well, if they’re ignoring Japan, might as well move the San Fran Fleet to the Atlantic to do a KGF vs JTDTM

This is precisely what the US player has done each game to date. 1 and a half to 2  US turns worth of IPC’s on extra carrier’s/planes to back it up, followed by spending on transports and inf/art/tanks for the rest of the game.

[jeffdestroyer]

if the USA goes all Europe, then Japan will take Honolulu and the rest of the Pacific and likely Cairo.

Germans DO NOT need Moscow in order for the Axis to achieve 14 VC.

[miamibeach]

@calvinhobbesliker:

@SgtBlitz:

I’m really thinking the Axis are going to be the side needing a bid in this game, and its probably going to go to Italy, just because of this Taranto raid.

Then at least give the UK a small fleet that can survive in the North Atlantic against uboats and planes. How about this: Miamibeach is willing to test out theories out. You play Allies to show how Italy has no chance, and he’ll play axis to show that they do

Lets go you chickens!!!  Bawk!, Bawk!, Bawk!  Put your play where your mouth is!!!  Me and Calvin as Axis vs who as Allies???

[calvinhobbesliker]

@miamibeach:

@calvinhobbesliker:

@SgtBlitz:

I’m really thinking the Axis are going to be the side needing a bid in this game, and its probably going to go to Italy, just because of this Taranto raid.

Then at least give the UK a small fleet that can survive in the North Atlantic against uboats and planes. How about this: Miamibeach is willing to test out theories out. You play Allies to show how Italy has no chance, and he’ll play axis to show that they do

Lets go you chickens!!!  Bawk!, Bawk!, Bawk!  Put your play where your mouth is!!!  Me and Calvin as Axis vs who as Allies???

Blitz and chompers? Anyway, I’ll need to wait till we have Battlemap since I’m already in a game and I only have 1 board

Who the hell is playing Japan that the US is emptying the pacific and Japan is unable to help the Euro axis?

[Napoleon]

Italy will need german help to be some kind of a pain in the a**

The problem is Germany do not have access to the med……

If Germany take Southern France and put a minor ic, it can help Italy to survive in the med and maybe land some afrika korps in africa.

Let Italy take Paris is a good point, very good but its only a balancing issue in the pact of steel, i mean Italy will be ok to survive and fight, but Germany will suffer from this. Maybe its not critical for germany but…you know what i mean.

Anyway, Italy is a big boy, without navy, Italy is still a pain, with lets say : Yougoslavia, Greece, southern France and maybe Bulgaria ( if germany has no plan to put a ic there) Italy can protect Europe and put a expeditionary force into russia to kill some ruskies and find a way for the german army to press the attack.

I know that the States are some really big troubles comin in, but if you let go Germany and Japan, focusing on Italy, you will loose some prescious time getting them to theirs knees.

Its my opinion

[calvinhobbesliker]

@Napoleon:

Italy will need german help to be some kind of a pain in the a**

The problem is Germany do not have access to the med……

If Germany take Southern France and put a minor ic, it can help Italy to survive in the med and maybe land some afrika korps in africa.

Let Italy take Paris is a good point, very good but its only a balancing issue in the pact of steel, i mean Italy will be ok to survive and fight, but Germany will suffer from this. Maybe its not critical for germany but…you know what i mean.

Anyway, Italy is a big boy, without navy, Italy is still a pain, with lets say : Yougoslavia, Greece, southern France and maybe Bulgaria ( if germany has no plan to put a ic there) Italy can protect Europe and put a expeditionary force into russia to kill some ruskies and find a way for the german army to press the attack.

I know that the States are some really big troubles comin in, but if you let go Germany and Japan, focusing on Italy, you will loose some prescious time getting them to theirs knees.

Its my opinion

Bulgaria is only 1 ipc, so you can’t build an IC there

[chompers]

Japan does help the European Axis in the form of bringing the pain to Moscow.  I’ve never argued that the game as a whole is fundamentally imbalanced, just that it’s most efficient for all sides to play the same old tired strats.

[Chompers2]

I played a lot of 1942 and that was mostly kill germany first vs kill russia first and then someone conceded with a few exceptions.  That is how I have tried to play my first game as the axis but I am starting to think that it is better to not even try to take Moscow.  The victory conditions for the axis is getting cities and it might be better to use Japan to conquer every city on the pacific side if america goes kill germany/italy first.  Then have Japan take all of Africa and send Germany to take lenigrad and stalingrad.  If Russia bought too much inf they will not be able to counter attack.  I have not added the cities up but at that point the axis would at least be pretty close.

So maybe that is something that I am missing.

Also not to confuse anyone I am Chompers#2, my old roomate who I have played 4 times is Chompers, who has made most of the post on here so far.

[calvinhobbesliker]

@Chompers#2:

I played a lot of 1942 and that was mostly kill germany first vs kill russia first and then someone conceded with a few exceptions.  That is how I have tried to play my first game as the axis but I am starting to think that it is better to not even try to take Moscow.  The victory conditions for the axis is getting cities and it might be better to use Japan to conquer every city on the pacific side if america goes kill germany/italy first.  Then have Japan take all of Africa and send Germany to take lenigrad and stalingrad.  If Russia bought too much inf they will not be able to counter attack.  I have not added the cities up but at that point the axis would at least be pretty close.

So maybe that is something that I am missing.

Also not to confuse anyone I am Chompers#2, my old roomate who I have played 4 times is Chompers, who has made most of the post on here so far.

I was about to ask if you two were the same person, and then you answered my question. :-D

Axis need 14 out of 19 VC’s right? If they don’t take London or any North American territory, they need Moscow. If you forego Moscow, japan will need to take WUS and hold it for a turn.

[Napoleon]

Meant Romania so the fact is about the free infantry

[chompers]

Yeah, he makes up for lack of creativity in choosing forum names by a good bit of it on the game board  :-D

[Chompers2]

Okay I guess the axis does have to take Moscow then.  I didn’t count the cities because the game board is over my friends house.

[BadSpeller]

Wow, 13 pages of stuff in 24 hours.

First off I would like to apologize to Plumsmugler.

I didn’t mean to go off on you, I hate when broken claims are made without much proof so early in the game’s release.

I am sorry. :-(

Next this is @ TexCapPrezJimmy-

Thank you for Reply #103. Your one post you summed up about 100 posts what you and Blitz where saying.

I see your point Blitz, of the setup things that need to be closely looked at.

Once ABattleMap is out for AAG40(Go Stoney!!!), people will build off others strats.

[Plasticdeathbydice]

@jeffdestroyer:

if the USA goes all Europe, then Japan will take Honolulu and the rest of the Pacific and likely Cairo.

Germans DO NOT need Moscow in order for the Axis to achieve 14 VC.

Exactly - Axis victory is not a race to Moscow…need Victory Cities…could be from west US…or UK…or some other victory city…say, on the moon…

Anybody notice how the Axis get extra moolah for taking some of the harder to get VC’s…
Helps balance the IPC’s…

[Guest]

OMG……look at all the posts

Try this…agree to disagree

AND MOVE ONE WITH YOUR LIFE

[Plasticdeathbydice]

I simply can not move on…I am so bitter about losing my puny Italian fleet in the first turn…I mean my UK fleet…I mean the french army…I mean…aww, nevermind…I will just see what happens in the SECOND turn of the game after I am done bitching about the first turn!  Anybody need a tissue to dry up all there tears?  How about a good anti-depressant to help put your life in a better perspective.  It is a frigging game…

[Guest]

@Plasticdeathbydice:

I simply can not move on…I am so bitter about losing my puny Italien fleet in the first turn…I mean my UK fleet…I mean the french army…I mean…aww, nevermind…I will just see what happens in the SECOND turn of the game after I am done bitching about the first turn!  Anybody need a tissue to dry up all there tears?  How about a good anti-depressant to help put your life in a better perspective.  It is a frigging game…

I like this guy!!!   :lol:

[Guest]

@moralecheck:

Please use marquees in moderation.

:lol: :-P

and you are?

[ll Duce]

Ok, played through turn 1 last night. On G1 I sent 2 subs against the UK Carrier group, ended up losing both subs while only damaging the CV (the Tac landed in Gibralter).  On UK1 a combined fleet of 2 DDs, the Egyptian Fighter, the Tac and the damaged CV recreated Taranto taking out the SZ 95 fleet while losing a DD.  Italy struck back on her turn with her remaining air and sea units taking out the UK fleet losing a fighter.  The French fleet then wiped out the remaining Italians (damn bad rolling on Italy’s part).

At this point I think Italy just has to accept her fleet getting destroyed, and rely on either rebuilding (I’d go all subs first to make the Med dangerous for the Allies) or concentrating on air power to control the Med.  At the end of turn 1, Italy had S. France, Bulgaria, Taken back 1 French African Territory (I forget the name), Sudan and 1 other UK east Africa Territory and overrun Alexandria.  They are in decent shape in Africa and can likely take Egypt on I2.  The Allies control the Med right now, but have no way of reinforcing the land battle in Africa.  An Italian fleet may need to wait, or be all subs till the Med is cleared out with German help.

Italy is MEANT to be a challenge, even for the veteran A&A player…. I think its a good challenge too.

[Guest]

@moralecheck:

@mwindianapolis:

@moralecheck:

Please use marquees in moderation.

:lol: :-P

and you are?

Given your attitude in this thread, and every other thread, and your signature. I’ll just leave it at “Obvious troll is obvious”

and you know this how? oh thats right, by “trolling” my posts!:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:TROLL