Though if Japan could take India, they would’ve taken Yunnan already.
It’s virtually the only way to move from Europe to China.
Italy a bad design
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I’m really thinking the Axis are going to be the side needing a bid in this game, and its probably going to go to Italy, just because of this Taranto raid.
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It’s not unfair for them to meet or surpass UK. In fact, they do so anyway: By taking Vichy, Bulgaria, Greece, Kenya, Tunisia, and Syria, it has 29 ipc’s with NO’s. UK has 29 as well, due to the loss of Alexandria. Also, Italy may take Paris, if you’re THAT worried about them. It can also activate Iraq unless Russia takes it first
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I’m really thinking the Axis are going to be the side needing a bid in this game, and its probably going to go to Italy, just because of this Taranto raid.
Then at least give the UK a small fleet that can survive in the North Atlantic against uboats and planes. How about this: Miamibeach is willing to test out theories out. You play Allies to show how Italy has no chance, and he’ll play axis to show that they do
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Wait, the US has a single destroyer to start, with your expenditure of the UK carrier/DD the Uk is down to possibly 3 boats left on that half of the board. Germans should have atleast 6 planes left after turn 1.
My guess here is your german player is going balls to the wall against Russia doing a war dec on turn 2. The german player, a 60+ IPC monster, has only the UK to worry about until turn 4. Why are they not building an airforce of boat sinking doom? And how is the US shucking that many men that fast when you would need a 5x5x5 set of transports to do that each turn. Thats 15 boats! 15x7=105 IPCs, leaving not enough to even defend them from the starting german air.
As far as Japan getting nutty, yeah, they just explode income wise, esp if US is ignoring them.
How about we let this thread die till a battlemap module is released and then see what happens. No matter what everyone here is playing with a small group of players and that limits how many various strats/options you can see.
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Wait, the US has a single destroyer to start, with your expenditure of the UK carrier/DD the Uk is down to possibly 3 boats left on that half of the board. Germans should have atleast 6 planes left after turn 1.
My guess here is your german player is going balls to the wall against Russia doing a war dec on turn 2. The german player, a 60+ IPC monster, has only the UK to worry about until turn 4. Why are they not building an airforce of boat sinking doom? And how is the US shucking that many men that fast when you would need a 5x5x5 set of transports to do that each turn. Thats 15 boats! 15x7=105 IPCs, leaving not enough to even defend them from the starting german air.
As far as Japan getting nutty, yeah, they just explode income wise, esp if US is ignoring them.
How about we let this thread die till a battlemap module is released and then see what happens. No matter what everyone here is playing with a small group of players and that limits how many various strats/options you can see.
Well, if they’re ignoring Japan, might as well move the San Fran Fleet to the Atlantic to do a KGF vs JTDTM
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OK. I got caught up again and it does seems as though most of you guys who say America is right there to do everything keep saying this and mentioning how much stuff they can get there. While for all this stuff to get there on the timetable you guys suggest they have spent all of their first 3 turns buying in Europe only and forgetting about Japan, and we have all played Pac40. All of us know if we never bought anything in Pac40 with the US and tried using only her starting forces Japan wins even if balance was perfect. By neglecting the pacific for that long America really won’t be position for much of and attack until turn 6 at which point Japan will have pushed their way through India and China and Closing in on Africa with some of their units and putting ANZAC in bind.
Now if Germany takes out the allies in the Med and the Allies go with America playing the main force in the Atlantic, Italy will have time to take out Egypt and push into Africa and wait for the Japanese to arrive on scene to take out the minor factory in South Africa.
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Well, if they’re ignoring Japan, might as well move the San Fran Fleet to the Atlantic to do a KGF vs JTDTM
This is precisely what the US player has done each game to date. 1 and a half to 2 US turns worth of IPC’s on extra carrier’s/planes to back it up, followed by spending on transports and inf/art/tanks for the rest of the game.
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if the USA goes all Europe, then Japan will take Honolulu and the rest of the Pacific and likely Cairo.
Germans DO NOT need Moscow in order for the Axis to achieve 14 VC.
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I’m really thinking the Axis are going to be the side needing a bid in this game, and its probably going to go to Italy, just because of this Taranto raid.
Then at least give the UK a small fleet that can survive in the North Atlantic against uboats and planes. How about this: Miamibeach is willing to test out theories out. You play Allies to show how Italy has no chance, and he’ll play axis to show that they do
Lets go you chickens!!! Bawk!, Bawk!, Bawk! Put your play where your mouth is!!! Me and Calvin as Axis vs who as Allies???
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I’m really thinking the Axis are going to be the side needing a bid in this game, and its probably going to go to Italy, just because of this Taranto raid.
Then at least give the UK a small fleet that can survive in the North Atlantic against uboats and planes. How about this: Miamibeach is willing to test out theories out. You play Allies to show how Italy has no chance, and he’ll play axis to show that they do
Lets go you chickens!!! Bawk!, Bawk!, Bawk! Put your play where your mouth is!!! Me and Calvin as Axis vs who as Allies???
Blitz and chompers? Anyway, I’ll need to wait till we have Battlemap since I’m already in a game and I only have 1 board
Who the hell is playing Japan that the US is emptying the pacific and Japan is unable to help the Euro axis?
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Italy will need german help to be some kind of a pain in the a**
The problem is Germany do not have access to the med……
If Germany take Southern France and put a minor ic, it can help Italy to survive in the med and maybe land some afrika korps in africa.
Let Italy take Paris is a good point, very good but its only a balancing issue in the pact of steel, i mean Italy will be ok to survive and fight, but Germany will suffer from this. Maybe its not critical for germany but…you know what i mean.
Anyway, Italy is a big boy, without navy, Italy is still a pain, with lets say : Yougoslavia, Greece, southern France and maybe Bulgaria ( if germany has no plan to put a ic there) Italy can protect Europe and put a expeditionary force into russia to kill some ruskies and find a way for the german army to press the attack.
I know that the States are some really big troubles comin in, but if you let go Germany and Japan, focusing on Italy, you will loose some prescious time getting them to theirs knees.
Its my opinion
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Italy will need german help to be some kind of a pain in the a**
The problem is Germany do not have access to the med……
If Germany take Southern France and put a minor ic, it can help Italy to survive in the med and maybe land some afrika korps in africa.
Let Italy take Paris is a good point, very good but its only a balancing issue in the pact of steel, i mean Italy will be ok to survive and fight, but Germany will suffer from this. Maybe its not critical for germany but…you know what i mean.
Anyway, Italy is a big boy, without navy, Italy is still a pain, with lets say : Yougoslavia, Greece, southern France and maybe Bulgaria ( if germany has no plan to put a ic there) Italy can protect Europe and put a expeditionary force into russia to kill some ruskies and find a way for the german army to press the attack.
I know that the States are some really big troubles comin in, but if you let go Germany and Japan, focusing on Italy, you will loose some prescious time getting them to theirs knees.
Its my opinion
Bulgaria is only 1 ipc, so you can’t build an IC there
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Japan does help the European Axis in the form of bringing the pain to Moscow. I’ve never argued that the game as a whole is fundamentally imbalanced, just that it’s most efficient for all sides to play the same old tired strats.
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I played a lot of 1942 and that was mostly kill germany first vs kill russia first and then someone conceded with a few exceptions. That is how I have tried to play my first game as the axis but I am starting to think that it is better to not even try to take Moscow. The victory conditions for the axis is getting cities and it might be better to use Japan to conquer every city on the pacific side if america goes kill germany/italy first. Then have Japan take all of Africa and send Germany to take lenigrad and stalingrad. If Russia bought too much inf they will not be able to counter attack. I have not added the cities up but at that point the axis would at least be pretty close.
So maybe that is something that I am missing.
Also not to confuse anyone I am Chompers#2, my old roomate who I have played 4 times is Chompers, who has made most of the post on here so far.
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@Chompers#2:
I played a lot of 1942 and that was mostly kill germany first vs kill russia first and then someone conceded with a few exceptions. That is how I have tried to play my first game as the axis but I am starting to think that it is better to not even try to take Moscow. The victory conditions for the axis is getting cities and it might be better to use Japan to conquer every city on the pacific side if america goes kill germany/italy first. Then have Japan take all of Africa and send Germany to take lenigrad and stalingrad. If Russia bought too much inf they will not be able to counter attack. I have not added the cities up but at that point the axis would at least be pretty close.
So maybe that is something that I am missing.
Also not to confuse anyone I am Chompers#2, my old roomate who I have played 4 times is Chompers, who has made most of the post on here so far.
I was about to ask if you two were the same person, and then you answered my question. :-D
Axis need 14 out of 19 VC’s right? If they don’t take London or any North American territory, they need Moscow. If you forego Moscow, japan will need to take WUS and hold it for a turn.
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Meant Romania so the fact is about the free infantry
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Yeah, he makes up for lack of creativity in choosing forum names by a good bit of it on the game board :-D
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Okay I guess the axis does have to take Moscow then. I didn’t count the cities because the game board is over my friends house.
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Wow, 13 pages of stuff in 24 hours.
First off I would like to apologize to Plumsmugler.
I didn’t mean to go off on you, I hate when broken claims are made without much proof so early in the game’s release.
I am sorry. :-(
Next this is @ TexCapPrezJimmy-
Thank you for Reply #103. Your one post you summed up about 100 posts what you and Blitz where saying.
I see your point Blitz, of the setup things that need to be closely looked at.
Once ABattleMap is out for AAG40(Go Stoney!!!), people will build off others strats.
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if the USA goes all Europe, then Japan will take Honolulu and the rest of the Pacific and likely Cairo.
Germans DO NOT need Moscow in order for the Axis to achieve 14 VC.
Exactly - Axis victory is not a race to Moscow…need Victory Cities…could be from west US…or UK…or some other victory city…say, on the moon…
Anybody notice how the Axis get extra moolah for taking some of the harder to get VC’s…
Helps balance the IPC’s…
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