@cornwallis No worries.
J1 attack on Russia in Global
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I thought of another reason Japan might not want to let the 18 Russian inf hang around. In Pac it was a US strat to try to invade Korea to build a major IC, which was very difficult to do. Now in global you can come in through Russia. The Russians could hang off the coast in Sakha. The US comes over via tpts and land in Amur on US turn. Russia’s turn follows (before Japans), they bring over the 18 inf to protect the US. Jap can’t touch it. Then US moves to Korea, and Russia follows them in (with 18 inf). It would be pretty tough for Jap to attack that stack, especially if they are off trying to crush India. Russia could manages to get a couple ftrs in too. All of a sudden the US fly’s over its own air and builds a major IC. Now US is able to drop 10 ground troops in Asia, or a ready made super fleet. And yea I think Russia would give up its NO for one turn.
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It sounds good… the only weak part is that it relies on the Russian player to be complacent. I would imagine that you would get someone once with that but probably not twice. Other than that it sounds like a pretty good plan for all the points you mentioned.
I agree if it happens it will only be once, but the big question is how to deal with 18 inf sitting on your boarder? I think they have to be dealt with in the early rounds of the game, otherwise Russia will just wait until the air force is out of range and attack. As Japan trying to defend by Manchuria and Korea against 18 inf would take at least 8 or so inf in each territory, and that is something Japan cannot afford to do. They could also abdandon Korea and beef up Manchuria, to try and stop Russia from getting to the rest of Asia, but then Russia could drop an IC and it would be all over for Japan.
The more I think about it, capturing Amur J1 and defending it will be the best idea for Japan. Another bonus by holding Amur is that Russia won’t get it IPC bonus for capturing original German territories.
If I was japan, i’d consider going through the empty territories of Mongolia to get to the Russian territories that do not have any men in them.
Given the true neutral rules I would be aprehensive about doing that, but the issue is not about taking Soviet territories, it is about securing Japan’s northern flank.
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I think it’s better to keep jap tac bombers, figthers and transports near japan in striking distance/reserve. Meanwhile you can use this forces to support the attack on china.
Don’t fortify Manchuria or Korea or build a factory there. Let the russians come. If they want to.
The german player should decide, when it’s time ro attack russia.
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@WILD:
I thought of another reason Japan might not want to let the 18 Russian inf hang around. In Pac it was a US strat to try to invade Korea to build a major IC, which was very difficult to do. Now in global you can come in through Russia. The Russians could hang off the coast in Sakha. The US comes over via tpts and land in Amur on US turn. Russia’s turn follows (before Japans), they bring over the 18 inf to protect the US. Jap can’t touch it. Then US moves to Korea, and Russia follows them in (with 18 inf). It would be pretty tough for Jap to attack that stack, especially if they are off trying to crush India. Russia could manages to get a couple ftrs in too. All of a sudden the US fly’s over its own air and builds a major IC. Now US is able to drop 10 ground troops in Asia, or a ready made super fleet. And yea I think Russia would give up its NO for one turn.
This is very true. The Americans can even invade Korea directly (sometimes in US2 if the Japanaese are going for India on J3), then the Russian can walk in with 18 inf be4 the jap gets to anything.
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This could be the situation when the Japanese homefleet was sunk.
But as long the Jap fleet controlls Japan and the south-west pacific, this would not happen.
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Well, a US fleet in range of Korea (like in Peral) is now a much bigger threat then it was. If the Japs would ever fail with thier invasion of Phi it might be very problematic (as they then dont have the range to get back to Japan)
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2 other reasons why you wouldnt want to attack Russia,
1. It will allow them to send units into China, which will be eaiser then sending units to the Amur region and allow the Russians to effect, more directly, Japanese movments towards India.
2. The Russians have a special rule now that lets them pop 2 free infantry each turn they are at war in Novissbrissk(sp?). Which mean that while it will still be difficult for tem to get offensive units out to the far east, they will yhave no short supply of defensive cannon fodder…… I mean Infantry :-D
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2. The Russians have a special rule now that lets them pop 2 free infantry each turn they are at war in Novissbrissk(sp?). Which mean that while it will still be difficult for tem to get offensive units out to the far east, they will yhave no short supply of defensive cannon fodder…… I mean Infantry :-D
Does that apply in global?
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For the russian declaration of war and the enter of China, this is stupid…the russian can just say…ok im at war with japan and just put some Russian infantry in China without attacking…is this corect?
And for the infantry pop up…apply to global too?..seems so
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For the russian declaration of war and the enter of China, this is stupid…the russian can just say…ok im at war with japan and just put some Russian infantry in China without attacking…is this corect?
Sure, if you want to bring Japan down on you just so you can move some units into China.
And for the infantry pop up……apply to global too?..seems so
No.
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And for the infantry pop up……apply to global too?..seems so
No.
Those 2 infantry are free gifts in the Europe game? So you don’t have to pay 6 IPC for them right?
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And for the infantry pop up……apply to global too?..seems so
No.
Those 2 infantry are free gifts in the Europe game? So you don’t have to pay 6 IPC for them right?
Right! The 2 infantry that Russia gets on Novosibirsk each round that they are at war in Europe 1940 represent troops being called up from the east to protect Russia from the German invasion. Basically, they are coming from that 18 infantry stack that you get in Global but is not shown in Europe.
By the way, someone mentioned the US coming in, taking Korea and building a Major IC there to threaten Japan. They could not do that because you can’t build Major ICs on foreign soil, only Minor ICs.
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J1 attack on Russia- been there, done that, in short not worth it- don’t do it.
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THIS is why i love AA 40 so much
FINALY a game where Japan NOT attacking Russia is the sound strategic move.
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I believe Japan needs to eliminate powers as soon as possible. Attacking Russia is not the answer. You will pile assets into russia with little economical gain. The Islands in the south pacific are worth a ton. Plus you get the NO’s. Knock China out quickly and position your forces to try to destroy UK in the Pacific while grabbing the valuable islands in the south. Japan should only go after Russia if Us is focusing everything against Germany. Eliminate Uk and Australia if you can before you take a shot at the bear.
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I have yet to see a J1 attack on Russia in any game of Global A+2, though it has seemed interesting lately as something to try out, for several reasons.
First of all, I would only ever attack Russia if it amassed its 18 inf in Amur, and only if I planned to declare war on the Allies on J3. With 10 infantry stationed in Manchuria/Korea and two transports within striking range (as well as supporting BB/CR and aircraft) the Japanese could just about annihilate the Russian stack in one round of combat. With this force destroyed, there is nothing stopping Japan from sending a few units westwards to grab the Russian territories. They’re not worth much, but it would allow the Japanese player to about double its territorial gains during the first few rounds when Japan is only fighting China for 1 IPC a territory, and it doesn’t bring the Western Allies into the war. That little mech the Japanese start with could be very useful in eastern-central Russia.
This move would also prevent the mid- to late-game reinforcement of those 18 inf to the Western Front, where they could have a very decisive effect on the war Russo-German war. Russia could reinforce China in turn during the early turns, but a well-planned strike by the Germans would make every infantry sent eastwards a very tough decision for the Russian player.
Of course, I’ve never tried this strategy and don’t know if I ever will, since Japan has so many strategic options and can easily spread its forces thin.
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Right, if Russia stacks on Amur- you gotta go for it. Yeah you give them 12IPC (4inf) but you rid of 18inf + AA that could be used in the West. This would really help Germany. Otherwise if the Infantry go West from the start- forget about Russia- for now. Usaully a good time to attack Russia is through China later on if the opprotunity rises (usaully after round 5-6). Gotta watch your back though- US may or may not be breathing down your neck.
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INALY a game where Japan NOT attacking Russia is the sound strategic move
I disagree, I think it’s still PARAMOUNT that the Japanese attack eastern Russian States. They are worth the same as Chinese territories, except, they’re doubly important. -1 for Russia +1 for Japan. The Russians can’t replace their eastern most units. And you basically deny them that income for the game.
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I think its a fools errand, it gets you involved in a money sink up north
Your getting peanuts compared to the DEI money, and you are weaker against the Pacific allies because you are investing in the north.Not to mention giving the USSR a 12 dollar bill
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