Thank you, that actually helped a lot. We had a general idea of the subs ability to submerge unless facing destroyers, but that got a little confusing when it came to combined arms. Your comment about dice actually sorted that out. Thanks a bunch, I’m sure I’ll be back with questions about convoys, bombing, and scrambling once we play again.
German strategy for the world game
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No, that’s what I hear the veteran AA50 players saying. If any are on this forum and know I’m wrong, please tell me. I never played it, so I wouldn’t know myself.
I was referencing AA Aniversary Ed.
Perhaps we are not talking about the same thing. What exactly is AA50? I apologize for the confusion.
It’s the same thing. 50 means 50th anniversary
Okay, that’s what I thought. You haven’t played it? I just figured you had. I would not call myself a master, but a veteran would suit me. I have been playing AA50 almost exclusively since it came out, so I believe I am qualified to comment here. However, we are off topic, maybe we need a new thread… unless there already is one. I haven’t looked around the Anniversary Ed. page much, just Europe 40.
(Sorry to bog down the thread everyone.)
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Getting back to topic, earlier it was noted the Germany won’t have units in Africa, or ships in the Med. I saw that posted on Larry’s site a long time ago as well (I don’t think he has said much more about it). My hope is that he was talking about war ships, and there is at least one German transport there (w/Italy’s protection). In AA50 (41 & 42) the Germans have units in Africa. In E40, they should have limited ability to get there I would think by like rd 2-3. Bringing down the Baltic fleet is a poor option at best, and would take way to long (if it even survives). If there is no Grm tpt, then you would have to build an IC somewhere in the Balkans ,or Vichy France (once you take them).
I am really looking forward to the new straight rules. Having Denmark, Gibr, and Turkey controlling those sea ways is going to be a welcome part of the game IMO. It will create some very interesting battles in those key areas. Someone mentioned that Russia could start w/a mini navy in the (closed) Black Sea. I think this is possible as well. They could also have a couple of ships in the Baltic, or Barents Sea. Russia starts off neutral so they may have a round or two to maneuver.
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wait, what! Denmark closes the Baltic Sea? Ok, I need some new clarifications on what countries close what bodies of water, because apparently I’ve missed some of the updates. Here is a list, correct me where I’m wrong and add to it if I’m missing anything.
1. Egypt -The Suez Canal which closes movement between the Red Sea/Med.
2. Panama - the Panama Canal which closes movement between the Carribean/Pacific Ocean.
3. Turkey - The straights of Dardanelles close movement between Med and Black Sea.
4. Gibraltar AND Morrocco or whatever the other African territory will be close movement between the Med and the Atlantic? Or will Gibraltar alone close movement b/n the Med and the Atlantic.
5. Denmark - now you’re saying Denmark closes movement between the Baltic Sea and the North Sea? Do you have to own Sweden AND Denmark or just Denmark to close the straights there.
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I think it’s Gibraltar and Denmark both alone
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I think it’s Gibraltar and Denmark both alone
They really got rid of the Suez and Panama canal thats silly. Also does that mean Britain’s ships can’t go into the Baltic without controlling Denmark, so Navy could work, if I get this right!
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@Dylan:
I think it’s Gibraltar and Denmark both alone
They really got rid of the Suez and Panama canal thats silly. Also does that mean Britain’s ships can’t go into the Baltic without controlling Denmark, so Navy could work, if I get this right!
You misunderstood me. I meant that Gibraltar alone controls the Strait of Gibraltar and Denmark alone controls Skagerrak, not they they are the only tt that block ship movement
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Yea, Denmark’s protecting the Baltic will enable Germany to build a navy. But that doesn’t make it a smart move. Gibraltar closing the Med might help more though, becuase there are many games where transports are within reach of Italy or the Balkans and Germany has to keep a small force in those territories to rebuff an allied landing. But now those troops will be free to guard the northern borders of Europe.
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Yea, Denmark’s protecting the Baltic will enable Germany to build a navy. But that doesn’t make it a smart move. Gibraltar closing the Med might help more though, becuase there are many games where transports are within reach of Italy or the Caucuses and Germany has to keep a small force in those territories to rebuff an allied landing. But now those troops will be free to guard the northern borders of Europe.
Britain can pass through, germany can’t.
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Britain can pass through both Gibraltar and Denmark even if they own neither, but Germany can’t pass through either unless they own them?
What about Italy and Japan, same as Germany?
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Britain does own Gibraltar. Germany owns Denmark and can pass through.
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Yea, but don’t you have to own Gibraltar or Denmark from the beginning of your turn in order to pass through in your noncombat phase. So that, even if Britain captures Gibraltar on their turn they can’t pass through till next turn. I don’t think Britain will own Gibraltar, personally. I can’t see why Germany wouldn’t invade Spain as soon as France is conquered. Once Spain falls there should be a steady stream of troops to replenish Gibraltar and keep the straight closed. If not, Italy will have to land a transport. Either way, I don’t see Britain keeping control of Gibraltar unless the Axis are losing badly elsewhere.
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If Spain is neutral, the strait should be opened taking both Morocco and Gibraltar
But if Spain is not neutral (I mean, after is attacked by someone), the strait should be opened taking Spain and Morocco (because Gibraltar garrison will have then a very hard time trying hold the rock, for not talking about blocking ships, and south edge of Spain is nearer to Morocco than Gibraltar)
You could say the same for Kattegat (or whatever name has Danish strait): if Sweden is still neutral, the combo is Denmark+Norway, but if Sweden is at war, the combo should be Sweden+Denmark (and this is even more clear than Gibraltar)
Let’s hope that Larry gives to the neutrals a proper treatment or we are going to have a fantasy scenario again
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Yea, but don’t you have to own Gibraltar or Denmark from the beginning of your turn in order to pass through in your noncombat phase. So that, even if Britain captures Gibraltar on their turn they can’t pass through till next turn. I don’t think Britain will own Gibraltar, personally. I can’t see why Germany wouldn’t invade Spain as soon as France is conquered. Once Spain falls there should be a steady stream of troops to replenish Gibraltar and keep the straight closed. If not, Italy will have to land a transport. Either way, I don’t see Britain keeping control of Gibraltar unless the Axis are losing badly elsewhere.
What? Britain has always started with Gibraltar. If Germany invades Spain, there may be neutrals that flip to allies.
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If Spain is neutral, the strait should be opened taking both Morocco and Gibraltar
But if Spain is not neutral (I mean, after is attacked by someone), the strait should be opened taking Spain and Morocco (because Gibraltar garrison will have then a very hard time trying hold the rock, for not talking about blocking ships, and south edge of Spain is nearer to Morocco than Gibraltar)
You could say the same for Kattegat (or whatever name has Danish strait): if Sweden is still neutral, the combo is Denmark+Norway, but if Sweden is at war, the combo should be Sweden+Denmark (and this is even more clear than Gibraltar)
Let’s hope that Larry gives to the neutrals a proper treatment or we are going to have a fantasy scenario again
No, Gibraltar is the nearest point at which Spain comes to Africa. Closing Gibraltar should require both the closest African territory and Gibraltar. I think closing the strights between the Baltic and the North Sea, whatever they are called, should require both Denmark and Sweden as well, or even all 3 between Denmark, Sweden and Norway. But I’m not so sure this straight should even exist to start with. I guess its ust a way to let the German player biuld a navy in the Baltic if he wants. It would be more fun that way, albeit, probably not smart.
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I can’t see why Germany wouldn’t invade Spain as soon as France is conquered
We don’t know how many infs pops Spain … if, say, 5-6 or more, Germany will have to think twice because that attack would slow Barbarossa. If 2-3 … oh, well, fantasy scenario, because Spain is only one territory (but Larry made Guyanas 3 territories W-T-F-?)
And let’s pray for Switzerland impassable or popping a insane amount of movile infs (10 + ?) … I’d hate Germany or, even worst, Italy invading Switzerland all the games :|
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Yes, Britain owns Gibraltar, but Germany or Italy will own it before Britain or America are in a position to take it back. Before Britain or America are capable of takign it back, I think the Germans have Spain or the Med secured enough to ensure Gibraltar switches sides every turn. If the allies are trying to swap Gibraltar back and forth every time, they are probably wasting troops more needed elsewhere. If the Axis loose Gibraltar, they would have to be losing badly elsewhere, because securing the Med will be very important in Italy’s holding Africa.
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No, Gibraltar is the nearest point at which Spain comes to Africa. Closing Gibraltar should require both the closest African territory and Gibraltar. I think closing the strights between the Baltic and the North Sea, whatever they are called, should require both Denmark and Sweden as well, or even all 3 between Denmark, Sweden and Norway. But I’m not so sure this straight should even exist to start with. I guess its ust a way to let the German player biuld a navy in the Baltic if he wants. It would be more fun that way, albeit, probably not smart.
Check a map, I think that the town nearer to Africa is or Algeciras or Tarifa (maybe Tarifa, but not totally sure), but I’m totally sure that is not Gibraltar
I like the combo of nor+swe+den by the way
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I can’t see why Germany wouldn’t invade Spain as soon as France is conquered
We don’t know how many infs pops Spain … if, say, 5-6 or more, Germany will have to think twice because that attack would slow Barbarossa. If 2-3 … oh, well, fantasy scenario, because Spain is only one territory (but Larry made Guyanas 3 territories W-T-F-?)
And let’s pray for Switzerland impassable or popping a insane amount of movile infs (10 + ?) … I’d hate Germany or, even worst, Italy invading Switzerland all the games :|
Hitler was going to invade Switzerland, but thought it would be a waste of resources.
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Gibraltar is the territory that is the peninsula that extends from the Southern tip of Spain. It is the point where the Iberian peninsula is closest to Africa.
I think adding all these straights and canals just slows the free movement of the game. It will block of segments of the board. The capability to invade neutrals was supposed to open the board up I thought, but it appears the naval movement is going the opposite direction now. Lots of straights and other small bodies of water would be hard to sail through if you were an opposing force. Like, couldn’t we say if the Allies own N. France and England, Germany can’t pass through the channel? Or If America owns Eastern US and Cuba you can’t pass into the Gulf? These are small and nearly impassable bodies of water when owned by enemies, but I think that the game should open up movement for naval forces besides the 2 canals - Suez and Panama.
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Yes, Britain owns Gibraltar, but Germany or Italy will own it before Britain or America are in a position to take it back. Before Britain or America are capable of takign it back, I think the Germans have Spain or the Med secured enough to ensure Gibraltar switches sides every turn. If the allies are trying to swap Gibraltar back and forth every time, they are probably wasting troops more needed elsewhere. If the Axis loose Gibraltar, they would have to be losing badly elsewhere, because securing the Med will be very important in Italy’s holding Africa.
In anniversary, Gibraltar is accessible from the Atlantic. It seems to be the case here as well. Additionally, transports from EUS can reach Gibraltar in 1 turn. Britain goes before Italy and Germnay has no units in the Med
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