As Japan try bomber , fighter and 2 infantry against the second chinese area. my pet move
Wacky UK Strategy
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It really depends on the situation at hand.
Also didn’t you saythe weakness of my USA strat was because I left myself too open to a Japanese invasion fleet at South America or South Africa. Even with the conveyor belt method, I’m still open to attack.
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Besides when taking a Japan First Strategy, when would the US counter attack Pearl Harbor?
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I think that counterattacking the Japanese on the turn immediately following Pearl Harbor is ideal. There is no better situation, as either Japan will retreat back to the Asia coast to consolidate their gains or next attack the American BB and Trans that really have no chance of surviving alone. Usually I will Pearl Harbor Again with America if I instead want to go purely “Conveyor Belt.” That means I’m only interested in infantry bridging from Karelia to the Far East or from Algeria to Egypt. This regulates my US forces to mostly holding operations where a large airforce (which should’ve supported the Pearl Harbor Counterstroke) isn’t necessarily needed. However, without an airforce you do slow down the pace of offensives especially when you lack a bomber to conduct SBRs or need an extra punch to rid German forces holding out in Africa.
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Personally, I would go all out offense in that situation as Germany. I would take Karelia around Turn 4 or 5, and suicide my Airforce to take out British and the few American Transports. I might be spreading myself thin, I’d be hard pressed to hold Russia, but it would definately be a blow to the allies.
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And all out offense with Germany is possible. However, in order to take Karelia you must at least have access to the Luftwaffe on that turn. And since UK and USA fleet are must vulnerable after the first turn (1 AC w/ 2 ftrs, 1 trans) it’ll cost you 2-3 ftrs just to take out that fleet. That leaves you with a very weak offensive base on which to attack Russia. And by the 2nd turn, Uk and USA can replace their loses by building yet another Carrier and landing planes on it. Germany simply cannot replace her’s.
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Yeah, thats what happened in a game I played not too long ago. Germany went all out on Karelia and took it, but lost 3 fighters and barely had units left in Karelia. A combined Russian and UK counterattack got karelia back, and the Germans were out of luck when it came to the impending naval assault AND they had a hard time gaining ground as well. It was only a matter of time before germany fell, but they were never a serious threat and didnt even have the ability to slow down an Allied invasion.
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No, you take the UK and US Navy out in the first 2 turns, and use Fighers to keep them dead. That takes Britain and the US out of the equation, and Germany can easily defeat Russia. Thats why the US doesn’t counter attack pearl harbor (and why Japan attacks it) in my book, those extra few ships help a lot.
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Then how do you expect to deal with the transport and carrier w/2 ftrs on the second and third turns? Remember, the Allies can outbuild you.
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Keep building :smile: I go heavy on fighters with Germany. Also I play an Aggressive Japan, Yakut will be gone by that 4th Turn.
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With aggressive Japan, I’m sure Yakut will fall in less then 4 turns. The main problem with Germany is that if they build nothing but fighters, they can’t replace causalities lost of the Eastern Front. Eventually this break in manpower will halt the German offensive and the Russians will muster enough strength to counterattack. Of course with Japan in the fry, you’re playing a game of cat or mouse. Will the Germans be able to hold off USA and UK reinforcements long enough for the Japanese to strike a knockout blow on Russia? Only the dice will surely tell.
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I never said nothing but fighters. I don’t build tanks as Germany, just Fighters and Infantry.
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Interesting, I don’t know if Germany can afford to lose 4 INF to gain one fighter, but I guess every game is different. Yanny, as Germany can you build fighters fast enough to keep up with losing them in naval raids? If the UK has that carrier w/2 fighters on it then I don’t see how it’s possible.
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That’s the man problem. Germany cannot afford to build fighters quick enough. With UK, I can build a carrier. With USA, I build two fighters. Then with USSR I land two ftrs on the carrier. It’ll take 4 German fighters in order to take a carrier w/ 2 ftrs. That’s a 42 IPC loss for the Allies compared with a 36 IPC loss for the Germans. Which side can dearly afford this loss more?
If I were a younger man, I would write a history of human stupidity; and I would lie down on my back with my history for a pillow; and I would make a statue of myself, lying on my back, grinning horribly, thumbing my nose at You Know Who. - Bokonon
[ This Message was edited by: TG Moses VI on 2002-06-03 17:26 ]
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I play Germany in a similar fashion, although I am more conservative and defensive than Yanny. My sole objective with Germany is to survive until Russia falls, so I buy nothing but infantry and fighters. I try to buy 3 fighters in the first five turns with Germany, using the rest on Infantry. If you don’t lose a fighter on turn one (I always take the bomber as a loss first), you will have 8 fighters - I usually have 2 in WE, 1-2 in Germany, 3-4 in EE, and 1 in Africa.
It’s true that 1 fighter isn’t as good as 4 infantry defensively, but the flexibility of moving them from EE to WE or Africa and back as needed is huge, and you put additional pressure on the Allied fleet while still defending, which slows them down a little.
Instead of suiciding the fleet early, I time it with Japan’s push towards Russia - hit the Allied fleet the turn before Japan moves into Novo, which is usually J5 - more often I don’t hit the fleet at all.
**“Everybody’s got a plan - until they get hit.”
- “Iron” Mike Tyson**
[ This Message was edited by: Ansbach on 2002-06-06 15:17 ]
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On 2002-06-03 16:32, Yanny wrote:
I never said nothing but fighters. I don’t build tanks as Germany, just Fighters and Infantry.Y, I coulda sworn I read a Ypost statin’ you biult on a ratio of 1ARM:6INF. It coulda bin somebody else or maybe you was talkin’'bout attacking as anybody else(R,GB,US,or J).
Do you try to build 1 FTR per turn as Germany or just guesstimate your losses ahead of time?
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“Wassup wif dat?” - Xi -
Oh man, I don’t think someone like Mike Tyson could come up with a good quote :smile:
Anyways, I also try to maintain a constant Luftwaffe airforce of 5 to put pressure on the Allied Fleets. And the good part is that they can be used to counterattack Africa. But beyond that it’s mostly infantry for me. I like ARM. No hits from AA guns. Grrrr….
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Yeah, I really wanted to use “I want to eat your children” but it just doesn’t quite fit A&A…
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“I want to eat your children” - Now that’s the Mike Tyson I know and hate! :smile:
Of course I like this one by heavyweight boxer Tony Galento
“I’ll moider da bum.”
- Tony Galento, when asked what he thought of William Shakespeare
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