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Sweden Rules
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@Bizarro:
I understand that in AAE 40 that Sweden will have an IPC value of 4 contingent on a convoy zone and Norway will be reduced to 1 IPC.
Norway is a worthless country, should be worth 0.
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Welcome Btag,
what is your source on the scandinavian IPC values? are you in contact with playtesters? i thought the game desgin was already done?
You have any other info to share?I was able to bribe one of the playtesters for info in return for some porn that was posted on the KSG thread. Now tha tit is gone I can’t get any more info.
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@Bizarro:
Welcome Btag,
what is your source on the scandinavian IPC values? are you in contact with playtesters? i thought the game desgin was already done?
You have any other info to share?I was able to bribe one of the playtesters for info in return for some porn that was posted on the KSG thread. Now tha tit is gone I can’t get any more info.
That’s funny. In the General Discussion forum you mentioned that you did not know what the KSG was.
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@Brain:
That’s funny. In the General Discussion forum you mentioned that you did not know what the KSG was.
A close friend of mine told me about it
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@Bizarro:
@Brain:
That’s funny. In the General Discussion forum you mentioned that you did not know what the KSG was.
A close friend of mine told me about it
Well if you were only told about it. How could you have gotten this so called porn?
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yeah it just doesnt seem right. If Braind damaged or the imp dont know it first why would you?
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yeah it just doesnt seem right. If Braind damaged or the imp dont know it first why would you?
Bizarro Tag is Adlertag is Razor.
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OK stay on topic, though i think this is not a real thread anyway.
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Okay as I was saying Norway is a worthless country and it should have an IPC value of 0. Sweden should be worth more than Norway.
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Thank you for the correction. I agree, if not important in IPCs make [Norway] a NO.
Agreed
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@Brain:
Okay as I was saying Norway is a worthless country and it should have an IPC value of 0. Sweden should be worth more than Norway.
Someone is not going to be happy
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@Bizarro:
@Brain:
Okay as I was saying Norway is a worthless country and it should have an IPC value of 0. Sweden should be worth more than Norway.
Someone is not going to be happy
Don’t you mean three people are not going to be happy.
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@Brain:
@Bizarro:
@Brain:
Okay as I was saying Norway is a worthless country and it should have an IPC value of 0. Sweden should be worth more than Norway.
Someone is not going to be happy
Don’t you mean three people are not going to be happy.
At least…
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@Brain:
@Brain:
@Bizarro:
@Brain:
Okay as I was saying Norway is a worthless country and it should have an IPC value of 0. Sweden should be worth more than Norway.
Someone is not going to be happy
Don’t you mean three people are not going to be happy.
At least…
Are you unhappy as well and what are you unhappy about?
oh no I was commenting on the current headcount. I’m sure it’ll be 4+ before the weekend’s over.
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That is always an option.
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I just hope he doesn’t have as many accounts as personalities. Did you ever see the movie Identity w/John Cusack. It could get ugly if all his identities start fighting each other.
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Back to topic.
I hope that Sweden is a pro axis neutral. Larry has hinted that if you invade a true neutral that there may be some kind of domino effect, aligning other true neuts against you. I don’t think that should happen w/Sweden. They actively worked w/Germany through out the war, caving in on most demands. Although there was no total German occupation like in Norway & Denmark, if Sweden would have tried to cut off the iron ore shipments, Germany would have went in guns blazing. Why waste the resources if they are giving you what you want. Maybe Germany will be able to invade Sweden w/o consequences if Norway falls to the allies, to protect its interests. I also think there should be an NO linked to all the Scandinavian countries for Germany, but a similar NO should be available to the allies. I don’t think Russia’s NO should link E Europe to Norway (like in AA50) once the allies control Nor/Fin it was to easy for Russia to get one more country. I could see the Russian NO for E Europe also include Finland, because the soviets had the Finns in there expansion plans.I would also like to see the Luftwaffe be able to scramble in the Baltic. I’m holding out that maybe Zealand Denmark will be a separate playable island in the straight so you can scramble from Copenhagen. Also Finland should not have a coast line on the Barents sea, unless they invaded that part of Norway and took control of those Norwegian ports during this time. That I’m not sure about. I don’t think the UK should be able to attack Finland directly from the north. It should first have to take Norway first IMO.
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I would say that Finland was a pro axis neutral, Sweden was not. If Sweden leaned towards one side, it was the axis, but I do not agree about it being a pro axis country. Sweden caved in on some demands, yes, but out of cowardice, not pro axis sentiment.
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I would say that Finland was a pro axis neutral, Sweden was not. If Sweden leaned towards one side, it was the axis, but I do not agree about it being a pro axis country. Sweden caved in on some demands, yes, but out of cowardice, not pro axis sentiment.
Understood… But I don’t think the system will be detailed enough to make that distinction.
So I’d have to give the nod to “pro-Axis” as the best way to model their cooperative perspective, no matter the underlying motive. -
I would say that Finland was a pro axis neutral, Sweden was not. If Sweden leaned towards one side, it was the axis, but I do not agree about it being a pro axis country. Sweden caved in on some demands, yes, but out of cowardice, not pro axis sentiment.
Understood… But I don’t think the system will be detailed enough to make that distinction.
So I’d have to give the nod to “pro-Axis” as the best way to model their cooperative perspective, no matter the underlying motive.Especially if a leaning-neutral allows unrestricted movement through their space (which is what I’d hope is the case, as opposed to invasion scenarios). Sweden was really just trying to do whatever it could to stay out of the fight to avoid damage/loss of life/loss of freedoms. Economically, it depended on Germany because it was completely surrounded. Diplomatically, it was more alligned with UK/US but had no love for the Soviets.
However, the unrestricted movement is historically counter to Spain, which while diplomatically very aligned with fascism, they didn’t want the Germans rolling through under any conditions. It’s a pickle.
I hope sweden works something like this:
Norway worth 1 IPC. Sweden as a neutral is worth 3-4 with a hefty infantry garrison (I think they were able to mobilize over 300,000 if need be.
Germany objective: 10 IPC while Sweden is Neutral and Axis controls Norway OR Axis controls Sweden. This value is susceptible to convoy interdiction in Baltic Seazones.
IPC value of other territories or even Germany may need to be lowered to acheive the balance here, but a huge value objective would be appropriate. Germany would need to make sure Norway (and Sweden) are secure or else they’ll lose a hefty amount of cash, and historically if Sweden had not been supplying Germany their steel, their military industry would have been seriously hindered. It will also mean that the Allies will want to disrupt the shipping or invade Norway, at which point Germany would need to invade Sweden or take back Norway to keep industry going.
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