@aequitas-et-veritas @ssgen I should have flagged all of the old crew as well. Mobility means less on the smaller maps (AA50 even). Carrier manipulation is THE hallmark of G42/tournament play and all G40 variants. In my current game (G42/7 turns/221) against the relentless and indomitable MAPHEAD dave I have 5 Japanese carriers just to port all my planes around.
Strict Neutrals - Planes Flying Through
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-Same turn…Germany Declares war on strict neutrals
Germany attacks Turkey with intent to capture
Germany simultaneously flies fighters from Rome through Turkey to attack N.W. Persia. Is that legal?
Neutrals are no longer “strict neutrals” they are simultaneously at war.
Or is Turkey air space somehow blocking German planes even though they’re at war.
War is declared before the Combat Move Phase…
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Declaration of war is made prior to doing any combat moves…
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@Ichabod1862 First, you don’t declare war on neutrals - you simply attack them (see page 10 of the Rulebook). Also, attacking one of them makes only that one join the other side, not all of them. However, attacking a strict neutral does cause all of the other strict neutrals to become “pro” the other side (see page 11 of the Rulebook). There are some exceptions regarding Mongolia (see pages 36 and 37 of the Rulebook).
Air units cannot fly over a neutral territory unless they are attacking it, so it’s not possible to combat move an air unit through a neutral territory in the same turn that you’re attacking it. See page 11 of the Rulebook.
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I get you have been declared an official ruling somehow.
I’ve been playing Triplea live a lot lately…gotten used to clicking “DOW on the strict neutrals.” That’s besides the situation really.
Your ruling to me I think eisegetes into the text a fuller meaning not intended.
Germany conducts combat moves into Turkey while simultaneously combat moving planes through Turkey, but due to the ruling this means they somehow really have to simultaneously respect their air space? Makes no sense which makes me think you exegeted into the rule book an unintended end state.
page. 11 Europe book. “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it.”
The point of the rule on page 11 is that you cannot simply fly planes through strict neutrals in general.
For your interpretation, the rule should say all air units no matter what until AFTER attacking it. Because I think they should be able to fly over it even if just 1 infantry attacks the same neutral territory. The point of the rule is you can’t fly through like ground cannot go into the pripet marshes.
Germany is attacking it with air units. Why the interpretation that other air units cannot simultaneously fly through? The rules intent is to prevent flying through when never and not attacking them in general.
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Combat movement is simultaneous and occurs before combat occurs. Therefore, you can’t fly a plane over a strict neutral as per the rules. It isn’t until after the strict neutral has been attacked that it is now able to be flown over which is why you can fly into the territory and attack it, but not over the territory to attack a different territory.
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Yes combat moves are simultaneous. Said it in my comments above.
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@Ichabod1862 said in Strict Neutrals - Planes Flying Through:
I get you have been declared an official ruling somehow.
That would be because I was a developer and editor for the game.
I’ve been playing Triplea live a lot lately…gotten used to clicking “DOW on the strict neutrals.” That’s besides the situation really.
Triple A doesn’t get everything right. Some shortcuts are taken for whatever reason. Page 10 of the Rulebook is clear on this matter.
Your ruling to me I think eisegetes into the text a fuller meaning not intended.
Germany conducts combat moves into Turkey while simultaneously combat moving planes through Turkey, but due to the ruling this means they somehow really have to simultaneously respect their air space? Makes no sense which makes me think you exegeted into the rule book an unintended end state.
page. 11 Europe book. “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it.”
The point of the rule on page 11 is that you cannot simply fly planes through strict neutrals in general.
For your interpretation, the rule should say all air units no matter what until AFTER attacking it. Because I think they should be able to fly over it even if just 1 infantry attacks the same neutral territory. The point of the rule is you can’t fly through like ground cannot go into the pripet marshes.
Germany is attacking it with air units. Why the interpretation that other air units cannot simultaneously fly through? The rules intent is to prevent flying through when never and not attacking them in general.
It’s not a ruling, it’s the rule. The rule is straightforward as written. “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it.” It says air units cannot fly over an unfriendly neutral, then provides an exception for attacking it. An air unit that is flying through a neutral territory is not attacking it, so it is not allowed. It may only fly into one to attack it. That is the intent of the rule. Any other interpretation is simply reading something into it that isn’t there.
Per page 11 of the Rulebook, once a neutral territory is invaded, it is no longer neutral, so the restriction no longer applies. However, since all combat movement is simultaneous, the restriction is not lifted until after the combat movement phase in which it was invaded.
I hope this clears things up.
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