TGC (German) vs. Kwas/Doman (Allies) - Original Europe

[kwaspek104]

@The_Good_Captain last one lol

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[The_Good_Captain]

@kwaspek104

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 8 armour and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        2 infantry moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
        2 fighters moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
        1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
        1 armour moved from Libya to Palestine
              Germans take Egypt from Middle_East
              Germans take Palestine from Middle_East
        1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Crete to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Syria
              Germans take Syria from Middle_East
        2 fighters moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Baltic States
        1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Ukraine S.S.R.

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Baltic States
            Germans attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 artillery
                Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
            Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery
        Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Germans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 artillery
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Germans win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        2 fighters moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Germany
        1 bomber moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Northern Italy
        1 battleship moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Egypt
        19 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
        2 fighters moved from Baltic States to East Poland
        2 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Eastern France
        1 artillery and 16 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Hungary to East Poland
        1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Hungary

    Place Units - Germans
        8 armour and 1 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 43 PUs; end with 43 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : -0.67
Germans regular : 0.67

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[kwaspek104]

@The_Good_Captain us-3.tsvg

[The_Good_Captain]

@kwaspek104

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 8 armour and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 artillery and 16 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
        1 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia
              Germans take Belorussia from Russians
        1 infantry moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 armour moved from Palestine to Trans-Jordan
              Germans take Trans-Jordan from Middle_East
        1 armour moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
              Germans take Iraq from Middle_East
        1 infantry moved from Syria to Iran
              Germans take Iran from Middle_East
        5 infantry moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
        4 infantry moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 armour moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 armour moved from East Poland to Baltic States
        4 infantry moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Germans attack with 1 armour and 14 infantry
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 14 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 3/15 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Germans win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians with 1 armour and 14 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in Baltic States
            Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 16 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 artillery
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 16 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 4/18 hits, 3.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
            Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 16 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone: 1 transport
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone: 1 battleship and 1 transport
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone: 1 battleship and 1 transport
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        2 infantry moved from Eastern France to Germany
        1 infantry moved from Hungary to East Poland
        1 artillery moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
        5 infantry moved from East Poland to Baltic States
        2 artilleries moved from East Poland to Baltic States
        3 artilleries moved from East Poland to Baltic States
        2 infantry moved from East Poland to Baltic States
        10 armour moved from East Poland to Germany
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Palestine
        1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Germany

    Place Units - Germans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Germany: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Eastern France: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Eastern France: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Germany: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from East Poland: 2 fighters
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Germany: 2 fighters
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from East Poland: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Ukraine S.S.R.: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        8 armour and 1 infantry were produced but were not placed

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 50 PUs; end with 50 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : -0.67
Germans regular : 0.50

G4.tsvg forgot the transport battle

G battleship and bomber

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uk transport [dice 1d6]

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2d6: 1, 6
1d6: 1

[kwaspek104]

@The_Good_Captain

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[kwaspek104]

@The_Good_Captain belo inf corrected

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[The_Good_Captain]

@kwaspek104

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 16 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 14 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia
        4 armour and 14 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia
        1 armour, 6 artilleries and 23 infantry moved from Baltic States to Belorussia
        1 bomber and 4 fighters moved from Germany to Belorussia

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Belorussia
            Germans attack with 6 armour, 7 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 51 infantry
            British defend with 4 fighters; Americans defend with 1 bomber and 3 fighters; Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 4 armour, 1 artillery and 47 infantry
                Russians roll AA dice in Belorussia : 0/5 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 7 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 51 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 18/69 hits, 17.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 4 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 7 fighters and 47 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 22/60 hits, 22.17 expected hits
                22 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia
                17 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in Belorussia
                Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 7 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 29 infantry in Belorussia, round 3 : 10/47 hits, 14.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 4 armour, 1 artillery, 7 fighters and 30 infantry in Belorussia, round 3 : 23/42 hits, 16.33 expected hits
                23 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia
                10 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belorussia
                Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 7 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 6 infantry in Belorussia, round 4 : 11/24 hits, 10.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 4 armour, 1 artillery, 7 fighters and 20 infantry in Belorussia, round 4 : 12/32 hits, 13.00 expected hits
                6 artilleries owned by the Germans and 6 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia
                11 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belorussia
                Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 4 fighters in Belorussia, round 5 : 9/12 hits, 6.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 4 armour, 1 artillery, 7 fighters and 9 infantry in Belorussia, round 5 : 11/21 hits, 9.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Germans, 4 fighters owned by the Germans and 6 armour owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia
                9 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belorussia
            1 bomber owned by the Germans retreated
            Russians win with 4 armour, 1 artillery and 7 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -103
            Casualties for Germans: 6 armour, 7 artilleries, 4 fighters and 51 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 47 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        22 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
        1 bomber moved from Belorussia to Germany
        1 infantry moved from Eastern France to Germany
        1 aaGun moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to East Poland
        1 armour moved from Iraq to Syria
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Palestine to Syria
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Syria

    Place Units - Germans
        16 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 42 PUs; end with 44 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : 7.17
Germans regular : 0.33
Russians AA : -0.83

G5.tsvg You won my “self inflicted” coin flip. GG.

It was 92% Germany in Moscow without that error. I’m using this as exhibit 132 in “the game is severely imbalanced.” You wanted to run one again where Germany starts with 52, right? (and no SCA)

[kwaspek104]

@The_Good_Captain I got this, more or less, btw. If you hadn’t moved the German tanks back to Berlin, I would’ve kept moving the British guys to Moscow. (And I’m assuming you bought an extra bomber.) I don’t know what the odds for Berlin would look like in this scenario, without those German fighters.

This endgame scenario is something I would like to see more of. Who has the advantage if Allies can get Moscow to more or less 50% odds (or better) on G6? The Germans don’t HAVE to attack on G6. I still think you had a decent chance of winning even if you hadn’t attacked Belo on this turn. (I could be wrong about this lol)

[The_Good_Captain]

@kwaspek104 I can reupload the turn where I made the error and not make that error and see how it shakes out?

[kwaspek104]

works for me @The_Good_Captain

[The_Good_Captain]

@kwaspek104

small NCM change to fix that wardrobe malfunction: shoulda.tsvg

[kwaspek104]

@The_Good_Captain
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@The_Good_Captain

[The_Good_Captain]

@kwaspek104

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 16 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        13 armour and 14 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia
        1 armour, 6 artilleries and 23 infantry moved from Baltic States to Belorussia
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 14 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia
        1 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus
              Germans take Caucasus from Russians

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Belorussia
            Germans attack with 15 armour, 7 artilleries and 51 infantry
            British defend with 1 infantry; Russians defend with 1 aaGun
                Germans roll dice for 15 armour, 7 artilleries and 51 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 23/73 hits, 19.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Belorussia
            Germans win, taking Belorussia from Russians with 15 armour, 7 artilleries and 51 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 aaGun moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to East Poland
        13 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
        1 infantry moved from Eastern France to Germany
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Mediterranean Sea Zone to Vichy France
        1 armour moved from Iraq to Caucasus
        1 infantry moved from Syria to Iran
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Palestine to Syria

    Place Units - Germans
        16 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 49 PUs; end with 51 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : -0.33
Germans regular : 3.50

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[kwaspek104]

@The_Good_Captain

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[The_Good_Captain]

@kwaspek104 I’ll roll this but I can see that I misplayed Berlin and should have moved two fighters into East Poland and offered Berlin at 30%.

As it stands now its 45ish percent Moscow and 0% Berlin. Let’s see what happens, why not.

[The_Good_Captain]

@kwaspek104

Game History

Round: 6

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 10 armour; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Northern Italy: 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        15 armour, 7 artilleries and 51 infantry moved from Belorussia to Moscow
        13 armour moved from East Poland to Moscow
        1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Turkestan
              Germans take Turkestan from Russians
        1 armour moved from Caucasus to Stalingrad
              Germans take Stalingrad from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Syria to Iran
        1 battleship and 1 transport moved from Western Mediterranean Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Moscow

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 battleship and 1 transport
            Russians defend with 1 submarine
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 transport in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 battleship and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
        Battle in Moscow
            Germans attack with 28 armour, 7 artilleries, 1 bomber and 51 infantry
            British defend with 2 armour, 1 artillery, 4 fighters and 1 infantry; Americans defend with 1 bomber and 6 fighters; Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 3 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 63 infantry
                Russians roll AA dice in Moscow : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 bomber owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                Germans roll dice for 28 armour, 7 artilleries and 51 infantry in Moscow, round 2 : 27/86 hits, 26.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 11 fighters and 64 infantry in Moscow, round 2 : 24/83 hits, 31.17 expected hits
                24 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                25 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 bomber owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Moscow
                Germans roll dice for 28 armour, 7 artilleries and 27 infantry in Moscow, round 3 : 23/62 hits, 22.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 2 artilleries, 11 fighters and 38 infantry in Moscow, round 3 : 18/56 hits, 22.33 expected hits
                18 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                23 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                Germans roll dice for 28 armour, 7 artilleries and 9 infantry in Moscow, round 4 : 16/44 hits, 19.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 2 artilleries, 11 fighters and 15 infantry in Moscow, round 4 : 14/33 hits, 14.67 expected hits
                5 artilleries owned by the Germans and 9 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                15 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                Germans roll dice for 28 armour and 2 artilleries in Moscow, round 5 : 15/30 hits, 14.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 1 artillery and 11 fighters in Moscow, round 5 : 10/17 hits, 9.33 expected hits
                2 artilleries owned by the Germans and 8 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                1 fighter owned by the Russians, 3 armour owned by the Russians, 4 fighters owned by the Americans, 1 artillery owned by the British, 4 fighters owned by the British and 2 armour owned by the British lost in Moscow
                Germans roll dice for 20 armour in Moscow, round 6 : 11/20 hits, 10.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 fighters in Moscow, round 6 : 1/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                2 fighters owned by the Americans lost in Moscow
            Germans captures 23PUs while taking Russians capital
            Germans win, taking Moscow from Russians with 19 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 131
            Casualties for Germans: 9 armour, 7 artilleries, 1 bomber and 51 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 3 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 63 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber and 6 fighters
            Casualties for British: 2 armour, 1 artillery, 4 fighters and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Trigger GermanVictoryConditionsMet: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachmentGermanVictorySwitch attached to Germans
        1 aaGun moved from Belorussia to East Poland
        1 aaGun moved from East Poland to Hungary

    Place Units - Germans
        10 armour placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 51 PUs; end with 75 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : -12.17
Germans regular : 0.67
Russians AA : 0.83

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[The_Good_Captain]

@kwaspek104

what would you have done if I had done this on the previous turn?

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