L23 PTV - Game #2 - mr_stucifer (X+5) vs Gorshak (L)

[Stucifer]

@Gorshak I’m fine with the edit. Second time I’ve seen a Toranto raid go super poorly for the Brits in PtV, and I think only the second time it’s been attempted on me. I guess usually I don’t G1 Russia so I have an extra fighter to scramble. Total coincidence but crazy to see!

[Stucifer]

I think the casualties are short one however due to 2-hit carriers. Let me know if I am missing something.

My units got 5 hits, so it only the intact carrier and one other unit if you save the carrier? Perhaps you want to do the fighter, tactical, and strat bomber since you could land with some protection in syria?

I’m fine with whatever 3 hit points of units you want to keep.

[Gorshak]

@mr_stucifer said in L23 PTV - Game #2 - mr_stucifer (X+5) vs Gorshak (L):

I think the casualties are short one however due to 2-hit carriers. Let me know if I am missing something.

My units got 5 hits, so it only the intact carrier and one other unit if you save the carrier? Perhaps you want to do the fighter, tactical, and strat bomber since you could land with some protection in syria?

I’m fine with whatever 3 hit points of units you want to keep.

I was just completely rerolling the 3rd (and there even was a 4th) round of combat - you can check the dice server mails for that.

Anyway I am also fine with handling it like like you suggested:
we keep the first dice result and I just rearange the losses. It is completely up to you as it was my mistake. :)

Just remove the fighter from Egypt.

[Stucifer]

@Gorshak
Ok. I got the dice emails labeled round 3 & round 4 which I believe correlates to round 2 & 3 in the actual game (not sure why MARTI is always ahead one round). That seemed to match the game you posted so that’s where I was confused. I don’t have any other dice emails for that sea combat, I usually don’t get all of them. I am not worried about it.

So if I understand correctly, you re-rolled the battle from round 3 with losing the bomber, tactical, destroyer, and one fighter, having already taken four hits. I then got no more hits in all rounds leaving you with the carrier, cruiser, and one fighter.

[Gorshak]

@mr_stucifer

Yes you undestood correctly.

To reroll from round 3 I had to manually (edit mode) create a new battle with the dice server in our game with the units you mentioned. Then rolled that battle with the dice server.

As this newly created battle (with UK carrier, cruiser, fighter and ITA damaged BB and trans) started in round 1 - you should have gotten these mails labelled round 2 +3 in MARTI (as it somehow adds 1 to the round number).

These new mails were sent 6 minutes after the original dice mails.

But as I said, it is completely up to you which way you want to handle that - it was my mistake.

[Stucifer]

@Gorshak Sounds good, thanks for the clarification! It was a win for me either way so I would prefer to use your intended actions and will play the file you posted.

[Stucifer]

@Gorshak

Attack UK fleet in 99. Got 2 hits (sub missed). Save carrier first round?

[Stucifer]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 1

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Tunisia
        1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Albania to Yugoslavia

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in 99 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
            British defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 2 fighters
                Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -0.67

Savegame

[Gorshak]

@mr_stucifer said in L23 PTV - Game #2 - mr_stucifer (X+5) vs Gorshak (L):

@Gorshak

Attack UK fleet in 99. Got 2 hits (sub missed). Save carrier first round?

1 hit to carrier and one hit to a fighter

[Stucifer]

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Tunisia
        1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Albania to Yugoslavia

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in 99 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
            British defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 2 fighters
                Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the British
                British roll dice for 2 fighters in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 cruiser in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians, 1 submarine owned by the Italians and 1 fighter owned by the Italians lost in 99 Sea Zone
                1 fighter owned by the British lost in 99 Sea Zone
            1 bomber owned by the Italians and 1 fighter owned by the Italians retreated
            1 cruiser owned by the Italians retreated to 97 Sea Zone
            British win with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -14
            Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
            Casualties for British: 1 fighter
        Battle in Yugoslavia
            Italians attack with 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry
            Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Neutral_Allies roll dice for 5 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia
                4 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Yugoslavia
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Yugoslavia
            Italians win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Italians: 3 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry
        Battle in Tunisia
            Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            French defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                French roll dice for 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the French lost in Tunisia
            Italians win, taking Tunisia from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for French: 1 infantry
            1 fighter owned by the British could not land and were killed

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing ownership of Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from British to Italians
        EDIT: Changing ownership of Kenya from British to Italians
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 fighter moved from 99 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
        1 bomber moved from 99 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
        6 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
        1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Kenya
        1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya

    Place Units - Italians
        1 fighter placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 74 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4
        Italians collect 15 PUs; end with 15 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

French regular : -0.33
Italians regular : 1.17
Neutral_Allies regular : 1.00
British regular : 1.00

Savegame

[Stucifer]

@Gorshak apologies for the edit in Africa, one of these days I won’t forget about Ethiopia.

[Gorshak]

@mr_stucifer said in L23 PTV - Game #2 - mr_stucifer (X+5) vs Gorshak (L):

@Gorshak apologies for the edit in Africa, one of these days I won’t forget about Ethiopia.

😅

[Gorshak]

TripleA Move Summary: French round 1

TripleA Move Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 1

    Combat Move - French
        1 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium

Savegame

[Gorshak]

scramble into Belgium?

[Stucifer]

@Gorshak Yes, 3 fighters

[Gorshak]

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        2 infantry moved from New South Wales to 64 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 64 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Celebes
              ANZAC take Celebes from Dutch
        2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland
        2 aaGuns moved from New South Wales to Queensland
        1 cruiser moved from 65 Sea Zone to 64 Sea Zone

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 transport placed in 64 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in New South Wales

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 12 PUs; end with 13 PUs

    Combat Move - French
        Trigger French Liberate Southern France2 activates a trigger called: Trigger French Liberate Southern France3
        1 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium

    Combat - French
        Germans scrambles 3 units out of Western Germany to defend against the attack in Holland Belgium
        Battle in Holland Belgium
            French attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 aaGun and 3 fighters
                French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 aaGun and 3 fighters in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the French and 1 artillery owned by the French lost in Holland Belgium
            Germans win with 1 aaGun and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
            Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
        Battle in Tunisia
            French attack with 1 infantry
            Italians defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                French roll dice for 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the French lost in Tunisia
            Italians win with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
            Casualties for French: 1 infantry
        Moving scrambled unit from Holland Belgium back to originating territory: Western Germany
        Moving scrambled unit from Holland Belgium back to originating territory: Western Germany
        Moving scrambled unit from Holland Belgium back to originating territory: Western Germany

    Non Combat Move - French
        1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Scotland
        1 infantry moved from French West Africa to Gold Coast
        1 destroyer moved from 74 Sea Zone to 83 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -0,67
French regular : -0,83
Germans regular : 1,00

Savegame

[Stucifer]

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 2

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 5 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 115 Sea Zone to 128 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 99 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 99 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Romania to 99 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Germany to 99 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 128 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to 99 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
              Germans take Western Ukraine from Russians
        1 armour moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
        1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia
              Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
        1 armour moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland
        1 infantry moved from France to Southern France
              Germans take Southern France from French
        3 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 armour moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        7 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
              Germans take Karelia from Russians

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in 128 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            Russians defend with 1 submarine
                Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 128 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 128 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in 128 Sea Zone
                1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 128 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
            Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
            Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
        Battle in 99 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 1 carrier and 1 cruiser
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/5 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 cruiser in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans lost in 99 Sea Zone
                1 cruiser owned by the British and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 99 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 17
            Casualties for Germans: 1 tactical_bomber
            Casualties for British: 1 carrier and 1 cruiser
        Battle in 113 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/5 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 113 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 113 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
            Germans attack with 1 armour, 3 artilleries and 1 infantry
            French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 3 artilleries and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the French and 1 artillery owned by the French lost in Normandy Bordeaux
            Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 1 armour, 3 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Trigger Germans Occupies Southern France: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_French_Territory_May_Turn_Vichy_Switch attached to French
        1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 113 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 99 Sea Zone to Romania
        2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States
        2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States
        2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
        1 aaGun and 4 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        1 armour and 4 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
        1 armour moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
        1 fighter moved from 99 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 128 Sea Zone to Norway
        2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
        1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone
        3 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from France to Germany

    Place Units - Germans
        5 artilleries and 5 infantry placed in Germany
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western Germany
        1 destroyer placed in 116 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 46 PUs; end with 46 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

French regular : -0.67
Russians regular : 0.83
Germans regular : 4.67
British regular : 1.00

Savegame

[Gorshak]

@Stucifer
It looks like I forgot to withdraw the battleship from Singapore during my chaotic UK turn.
🙈

[Gorshak]

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 armour moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
              Russians take Bessarabia from Germans
        1 armour moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
              Russians take Western Ukraine from Germans

    Combat - Russians

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        2 infantry moved from Archangel to Vologda
        2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 10 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Leningrad to Novgorod
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Novgorod
        1 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Novgorod
        1 infantry moved from Southern Belarus to Bryansk
        2 infantry moved from Northern Caucasus to Rostov
        3 infantry moved from Sakha to Siberia
        1 cruiser moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Ukraine
        1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Ukraine
        1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Russia

    Place Units - Russians
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
        2 infantry placed in Siberia
        3 infantry placed in Stalingrad
        1 fighter and 4 infantry placed in Russia
        Russians undo move 2.
        1 infantry placed in Siberia
        1 infantry placed in Russia
        Russians undo move 2.
        3 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 43 PUs; end with 43 PUs
        Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 46 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[Stucifer]

@Gorshak said in L23 PTV - Game #2 - mr_stucifer (X+5) vs Gorshak (L):

@Stucifer
It looks like I forgot to withdraw the battleship from Singapore during my chaotic UK turn.
🙈

You want it in 42?