L23 Harry X - Gamerman L+18 BM Playoff

[gamerman01]

I remember an earlier round or two where we had so many complete blanks on offense on the Russian front!

[gamerman01]

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[gamerman01]

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This save just has a game note I added.

Russians attack Korea, so now if Japan attacks Russia by Mongolia, Mongolia will not turn into Russia

[elche]

I have a question to your attack against jap trans in sz35.
You removed your tac because there was no landing optiion.
Is it possible to attack without landing option (Kamikaze) ?
Could my 2 fig from Carlines attack sz63 without landing options ?
Or did you have a landing option for your tac in sz35 ?

[gamerman01]

Excellent question, I’m glad you asked so that you can understand and not be hurt by this in the future.

I did have a landing option for the tac at the Philippines:

I rammed the sub into your fleet, which is necessary to make it legal. The sub theoretically (this is specifically pointed out in A&A rulebooks) could defeat the entire fleet. If it did, then the carrier could go catch the plane. Then if the sub is unsuccessful in wiping out the fleet, the carrier is free to go wherever it wants. The plane had 100% chance of surviving, but splashes because after my sub failed, the carrier couldn’t possibly go catch it, so the carrier is free.

You’re right that kamikazes are not allowed. You MUST demonstrate that it is POSSIBLE to pick up the far-reaching plane.

Some players learn this lesson in a much more painful way. At least for you, your opponent had to pay for 1 transport with a sub and a tac.

Game on! :)

[gamerman01]

Note that it didn’t have to be a sub… A single plane on Z42 could be used as well, because if it was successful, my carrier could catch the plane.

[gamerman01]

Planes from the Carolines to Z63 is legal because a carrier can go to 54. If the planes are destroyed, the carrier can go wherever it wants in noncombat.

The rule about assuming all the attacker’s rolls are hits and all the defender’s rolls are misses (as in my Z42 attack) is necessary because without it, some arbitrary dividing line would be necessary. How much force would be required against how much force? If this doesn’t make sense let me know and I can explain more. Not that it needs explanation, because it’s specifically addressed in the rulebook.

[gamerman01]

Oh OK, so I think this will help you.

If I had a big fleet in Z55, your planes on Carolines could legally attack Z63 IF you attacked Z55 with at least 1 unit. Because if your 1 unit won, a carrier could go to Z54 to pick up any surviving planes.

[elche]

Thank you for explaining the rules I should know. Again a rule I didnt know but long time ago I did moves against the rules :blush:
I need a long time for Japan because of the fight in sz63 with 1 sub, 4 tac and 6 fig but I dont do. With bad dice I lose my japanese Luftwaffe but over 80% to win this battle for me.

[elche]

Did your sub fight in sz62 ?
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[gamerman01]

@elche It’s a trap!

[gamerman01]

Now that one was an oversight.

Sub fights

[elche]

You wanted the fight in sz63 to kill my fig. But is only 1 battle and would be a Marti decision.
Please causualty in Shan State.
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[gamerman01]

Thanks, remove AAA

[elche]

Good decision with the sub ! :anguished:

Game History

Round: 13

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 2 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 7 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 submarine moved from 43 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from Borneo to 43 Sea Zone
        1 infantry, 1 marine and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 marine moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
        2 tactical_bombers moved from 42 Sea Zone to Celebes
        2 fighters moved from 42 Sea Zone to Celebes
        1 destroyer moved from 42 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to 46 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from French Indo China to Shan State
        1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
        1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
        1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
              Japanese take Yunnan from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Amur
              Japanese take Amur from Russians
        1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
        1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in 46 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter
            Americans defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 46 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
        Battle in 17 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter
            Americans defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 17 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
        Battle in Celebes
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 marine and 2 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 artillery
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 marine and 2 tactical_bombers in Celebes, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2,83 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Celebes, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Celebes
            Japanese win, taking Celebes from Americans with 2 fighters, 1 marine and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery
        Battle in 54 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 54 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 54 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 54 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking 54 Sea Zone from Americans with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
        Battle in 41 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 transport; Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 2,17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the British and 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 41 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking 41 Sea Zone from Neutral with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
            Casualties for British: 1 transport
        Battle in Shan State
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            British defend with 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 aaGun and 2 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shan State
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Shan State, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 aaGun and 2 infantry in Shan State, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 aaGun owned by the British lost in Shan State
            1 artillery owned by the Japanese retreated to French Indo China
            UK_Pacific win with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
            Casualties for Japanese: 3 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 aaGun
        Battle in 62 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 submarine
            ANZAC defend with 1 submarine and 1 transport
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 62 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 submarine in 62 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 62 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 submarine in 62 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 62 Sea Zone
            ANZAC win with 1 submarine and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        3 fighters moved from 41 Sea Zone to Java
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Celebes to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 46 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Midway to 6 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 17 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from French Indo China to Philippines
        1 destroyer moved from 43 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from Japan to French Indo China
        1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Hunan
        4 artilleries moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China
        6 infantry moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China
        1 infantry moved from Jehol to Manchuria
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Shantung to Jehol
        1 submarine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to Philippines
        1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 destroyer and 2 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone
        3 infantry placed in French Indo China
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Shantung
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Japan
        2 infantry placed in Kiangsu
        Japanese undo move 4.
        1 artillery placed in Kiangsu
        1 infantry placed in Japan

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 51 PUs; end with 51 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0,17
Japanese regular : -3,17
ANZAC regular : 0,67
UK_Pacific regular : 1,67

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[gamerman01]

2 UK fighters are on UK carrier in 91

Note put into Triple A, too

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[elche]

Game History

Round: 13

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
              Italians take Southern France from French
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Western Ukraine

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Western Ukraine
            Italians attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Western Ukraine
            Italians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 fighter moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
        1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Romania
        2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
        2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy

    Place Units - Italians
        1 fighter placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 10
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,3,2,2,4,6,6,2,1,3
        Italians collect 5 PUs (10 lost to blockades); end with 6 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 1,33
Russians regular : 0,67

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[gamerman01]

I just realized I need to declare fighters on carriers in 39, also putting in notes.
They should improve Triple A to require this… I should have declared at end of US turn.

I guess, 2 UK fighters on 1 US carrier in 39

[gamerman01]

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[elche]

Intercept in Moscow ?
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