L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3

[Amon-Sul]

U were better

I resign

[Amon-Sul]

I must congragulate U on this win, it is well deserved. U were determined from the start and deserved this win. I was behind the whole game, my Russian and UK early rounds were too passive, and I ve lost Moscow too early, Italy grow too much and that sealed my fate. A lot of good moves that i pulled out later werent enought since i hadnt had enough money comparing to axis.

U played a fantastic Germany, but the greatest change considering previous game is ITaly .Ur first game Italy was lost in a few rounds, and in this it became a little godzila…

Japan was ur weakest spot, but also better then the last time, and sufficient solid enough to allow european axis to do the job.

i am not sad because u knew what will i play, i had to test my strategy without the element of surprise. i ve found 10 spots were can i improve it and my gameplay with it

[Amon-Sul]

1. buy more art , less inf with Russia, to have the ability to do the (counter) attack, and for Germany not be able to stack near Moscow

2. not to buy tac and bomber, but art and inf instead

3. send less units to china

4. retreat from china earlier

5. retreat more units from China

6. attack Italy stronger early on, and avoid stacking the uk navy in sz 97 which Germany will wipe out.

7. build less inf in ME, more air and sea to take down Italy

8. bid a bigger bid (7 is too less)

9. arrange a different bid - this transport issue with greece was not good, a sub to sz 98, or land units to China are much better

10. try to stack Yunnan in rd 3, to avoid USA going in to play in 4th turn, or forcing Japan to not attack the allies until round 4

[trulpen]

I think you are right on target on most points. The first one is not bad, but debatable.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

I think you are right on target on most points. The first one is not bad, but debatable.

We shall see. I am implementing it right now (together with other 9) in my game against oysteilo.

[Amon-Sul]

and what are ur comments or impressions about the game?

[ksmckay]

If Germany is coming hard after Russia from the go, having just a few more infantry can make the difference on whether or not germany can force Russia out of Bry (and thus break into Cau/Vol) on G5/G6. Depending on what else the allies are doing that one extra turn can be critical. Early on, I think its very advisable to buy nothing but infantry with Russia, but as always, depends on how things are going. Some art is great if you an afford it but 8 inf is better than 6 art if that means you can delay germany for another turn.

[trulpen]

About the analysis, it’s very tough for Japan to hold up, since you go so heavily there. The strategy you pull off is quite a lot of KJF, primarily fighting for control of the Asia mainland. Japan simply doesn’t have the resources to successfully fight for control everywhere against 5 allied nations’ efforts combined.

This time I had a less ambitious plan for Japan, to primarily fight for the control of Yunnan, and secondly, since it wasn’t practically possible, the control of Kwangtung and Kiansu.

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

and what are ur comments or impressions about the game?

I definitely had a more solid game this time, and the dice didn’t fuck me over as hard as the previous two. ;)

[Amon-Sul]

@ksmckay said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

ng but infantry with Russia, but as always, depends on how things are going. Some art is great if you an afford it but 8 inf is better than 6 art if that means you can delay germany for another turn.

it makes sense, but i am looking in the longer run, and i think it is debatable

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

About the analysis, it’s very tough for Japan to hold up, since you go so heavily there. The strategy you pull off is quite a lot of KJF, primarily fighting for control of the Asia mainland. Japan simply doesn’t have the resources to successfully fight for control everywhere against 5 allied nations’ efforts combined.

This time I had a less ambitious plan for Japan, to primarily fight for the control of Yunnan, and secondly, since it wasn’t practically possible, the control of Kwangtung and Kiansu.

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

and what are ur comments or impressions about the game?

I definitely had a more solid game this time, and the dice didn’t fuck me over as hard as the previous two. ;)

I think that the strategy change is what changed the things.

Just compare with earlier Germany and Italy. In the first game Germany was roaming beetwen Cairo, Calcuta and Moscow. In this it smashed Moscow early.

As for Italy, in the first game it killed itself in Southern France in rd 1. In this it became a mini godzilla.

U had some better dice in this game, but it wasnt the reason of so different situation on the board, and ur win.

[Amon-Sul]

as for my strategy against Japan, i would not say that it is KJF, actually its NJF (Neutralize Japan First). The plan is to neutralize Japan so it can not become a godzilla, and move heavily on the European theatre finish the job there, while just keeping Japan on a middle scale the rest of the game.

[trulpen]

KJF or NJF, that’s a bit like splitting hairs. I’d say it’s about the same thing. Allies invest heavily on either theatre to take it out first. Without enough income, J is taken out.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

KJF or NJF, that’s a bit like splitting hairs. I’d say it’s about the same thing. Allies invest heavily on either theatre to take it out first. Without enough income, J is taken out.

but the catch is , u may take japan out, but the euro axis can take 8 VC and u loose the game.

so its a risk ;)

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

KJF or NJF, that’s a bit like splitting hairs. I’d say it’s about the same thing. Allies invest heavily on either theatre to take it out first. Without enough income, J is taken out.

i am saying, just as an explanation that my goal is not to criplle and destroy japan, but just put it to some level in which it can not spread much, to have 30, 40 IPC and that i can contain it with ANZAC, China, UK Pac

So USA can smash the Nazis

[trulpen]

Yes, and I’m just saying I’d call that KJF. Destroy is very difficult. Neutralize is easier and usually the case with that strategy.