L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen

I am not sure now, hard to tell, should had to go to look the past situation on the map.

i am thinking about my German move now, and buyings, there are more options, and I need to choose one of them xd

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

What do U mean by holding out on the Russians, U mean playing too defensively against Russia?

Yes, and mainly a lot of investment has gone into fleet and kicking UKs butt, but that means Germany is rather weak on the eastern front. I believe more immediate pressure has to be made against Russia. It’s Germany’s key objective in the early game. Early Sea Lion is a trap.

[trulpen]

At the same time you killed me with your awkward (or atleast unorthodox) allied opening. It’s a bit too early to conclude this game. Italy is a powerhouse!

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

What do U mean by holding out on the Russians, U mean playing too defensively against Russia?

Yes, and mainly a lot of investment has gone into fleet and kicking UKs butt, but that means Germany is rather weak on the eastern front. I believe more immediate pressure has to be made against Russia. It’s Germany’s key objective in the early game. Early Sea Lion is a trap.

So U do not think Sea Lion (even if sucessfull) is a good option?

[Amon-Sul]

hey, just one thing about Mongolian treaty.

U can only break it if U attack Japanese territory bordering Mongolia.

If U attack Japanese controlled Kansu , U deactivate the Treaty.

But if U attack Japan in Sikang U do not.

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

So U do not think Sea Lion (even if sucessfull) is a good option?

No. Definitely not. The only exception is if it was able to be executed with minimal investments.

Now I’m not saying this about Sea Lion in general, only the very early one, like during G2-4.

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

hey, just one thing about Mongolian treaty.

U can only break it if U attack Japanese territory bordering Mongolia.

If U attack Japanese controlled Kansu , U deactivate the Treaty.

But if U attack Japan in Sikang U do not.

I presume you mean Suiyuyan. Yes, it only gets in effect regarding territories bordering Mongolia.

If Japan conquers Suiyuyan and Russia attacks it, Mongolia is off.

By the same measure I don’t believe it gets activated if Japan attacks Suiyuyan and there are russian troops there. So activating Mongolia would only happen when attacking russian territories.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

hey, just one thing about Mongolian treaty.

U can only break it if U attack Japanese territory bordering Mongolia.

If U attack Japanese controlled Kansu , U deactivate the Treaty.

But if U attack Japan in Sikang U do not.

I presume you mean Suiyuyan. Yes, it only gets in effect regarding territories bordering Mongolia.

If Japan conquers Suiyuyan and Russia attacks it, Mongolia is off.

By the same measure I don’t believe it gets activated if Japan attacks Suiyuyan and there are russian troops there. So activating Mongolia would only happen when attacking russian territories.

Suyiyuan, Kansu, Chahar,i mean all of them.

Well it is different. Japan activates Mongolian treaty only when attackin ORIGINAL Russian territories bordering Mongolia,

while Russia can deactivate it while attacking any Japanese territory bordering Mongolia (does not have to be original Japanese one).
And i think if Russia attacks Korea its the same as attacking Japanese territory bordering Mongolia

[Amon-Sul]

ok, i ve done my buyings.

let s roll

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

Suyiyuan, Kansu, Chahar,i mean all of them.

Well it is different. Japan activates Mongolian treaty only when attackin ORIGINAL Russian territories bordering Mongolia,

while Russia can deactivate it while attacking any Japanese territory bordering Mongolia (does not have to be original Japanese one).
And i think if Russia attacks Korea its the same as attacking Japanese territory bordering Mongolia

Correct.

[Amon-Sul]

the battles are over.

ncm and placement to go.

[trulpen]

Luck on your side as usual.

[Amon-Sul]

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 6

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans repair damage of 1x factory_major; Remaining resources: 57 PUs; 
        Germans buy 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 3 bombers and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia
        3 bombers moved from Western Germany to Baltic States
        2 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
        2 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
        2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
        3 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States
        1 infantry moved from Eire to Scotland
              Germans take Scotland from British
        1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 109 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States
        1 artillery moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Bessarabia
            Germans attack with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bessarabia
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bessarabia
            Germans win, taking Bessarabia from Russians with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
            Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
        Battle in Karelia
            Germans attack with 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Karelia
            Germans win, taking Karelia from Russians with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Western Ukraine
            Germans attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Western Ukraine
            Germans win, taking Western Ukraine from Russians with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Baltic States
            Germans attack with 3 bombers and 4 infantry
            Russians defend with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 3 bombers and 4 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
                Germans roll dice for 3 bombers and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
                Germans roll dice for 3 bombers and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 4 : 2/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Baltic States, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
            Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 3 bombers and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
        Battle in Belarus
            Germans attack with 2 artilleries and 4 infantry
            Russians defend with 4 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 4 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 4 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 3 infantry in Belarus, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Belarus, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belarus
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 3 infantry in Belarus, round 4 : 3/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Belarus, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belarus
            Germans win, taking Belarus from Russians with 2 artilleries and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 4 infantry
        Battle in Vyborg
            Germans attack with 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Vyborg, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vyborg
            Germans win, taking Vyborg from Russians with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in 104 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 104 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 104 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 104 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 104 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        3 bombers moved from Baltic States to Western Germany
        1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 4 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 108 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 5 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
        1 aaGun moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia
        1 aaGun moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
        1 submarine moved from 96 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 104 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 109 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to 109 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from 104 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Yugoslavia

    Place Units - Germans
        3 bombers placed in Western Germany
        1 armour, 3 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 54 PUs; end with 54 PUs
        Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 66 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -1.17
Americans : -0.33
Russians : -2.67

Savegame

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

Luck on your side as usual.

All the battles except those west of Novgorod where around 90 % or more, U scored pretty well in Besarabia, in Baltic States too and gave me a lot of problems there. I scored great in Belarus but U can easily smash me there.

And for west of Novgorod, well , luck follows the brave :)

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

All the battles except those west of Novgorod where around 90 % or more

Remember our previous game?

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

And for west of Novgorod, well , luck follows the brave :)

Not always. I’m brave. ;)

[Amon-Sul]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

follows

I think I am the type of player which more than average goes to (not certain) battles.

For U , I would say the opposite.

But It those not mean that my playstyle is brave and ur isn t.

And too much bravery can mean someone is crazy xd

i just said that luck follows the brave as a proverb, and there is always half truth in any.

[Amon-Sul]

what in previous game?

I think U should not be dissatisfiied with these round dice rolls since U scored too good in both Besarabia and Baltic States.

[trulpen]

Hehe, in our previous game I was toast in most (not all) such battles. Especially in Asia.

Actually, just now in another game I made two attacks against chinese. 2 inf for both on both spots. Had 1 fig, 1 tac against Sikang and 2 sb against Kansu. Killed off the chinese, sure, but surprise the chinamen hit 100 % in both locations.

It sure brought back some nasty memories… ;)

[trulpen]

Russia is very tricky now.

[trulpen]

It’s fucking unbelievable.