L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3

[trulpen]

Think I’m tier 1 now and with a 5/5 win ratio.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

Me too.

It definitely worked! I underestimated the power of that opening and didn’t respond accordingly. Played in a standard way, trying to control all of China, which dispersed power too much.

And the Korea move confused U.

I personally think I am not a bad player, but that U are better, but in this game I think the element of surprise whas much more on my part.

In some parts of the game i felt like chess player playing against a powerful PC. Xd

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

Think I’m tier 1 now and with a 5/5 win ratio.

U play so many games at the same time so maybe that affects the results. I am, sure U ll be a, high 1, or come back to E again

[Amon-Sul]

And I think that my constant attacks against U when i had 30, 40 or 50 % odds confused U too. I ve combined attacks with allies, made some sacrificies, but disrupted Ur plans.

And economy was working for me so I could afford it

[Amon-Sul]

The thing that confused me is your mechanized german stack. Ok U ve threatened India, Egypt, Russia, even China, U took some middle east money. But why havent U attacked Russia? Or India? Or Egypt? Especially Russia, U could taken IMHO

[trulpen]

Thanks for reassuring. At the moment I feel like a degenerate clown. Mainly for atleast three other games that I’ve lost or will lose, where I’ve made really silly, stupid blunders.

Yes, I also play too impatiently. I also play so many games at the same time since it’s nerve cracking to wait for moves. It’s a bad strategy. It does confuse things at times. I make a move and somehow mix things up with other games.

There’s also a strain on a personal level, but I won’t go into that here.

I also feel your win was well-deserved. I would’ve continued if I had taken Hawaii and then been able to secure it. I would just skip over China and leave it almost forever. That’s actually interesting that China can very well have over 500 units and it doesn’t matter so much. A bit of income loss for Japan and two VCs, but not crucial.

[trulpen]

Yes, I should’ve pressed harder on Russia.

[Amon-Sul]

Well I wouldnt (totally) agreed to that. Ok i dont know what would happened if U quited China earlier,

But China is very important (for Japan) because its a 20+ ipc, and for japan the economy is crucial in fighting usa and other allies.

There are 2 big pools for japan, 1st is china, 2nd are the big islands.

[Amon-Sul]

The thing is if u loose china, u loose kwangtung, and burma is sealed. So its harder to take Indochina against the Brits, but still not impassable though

[trulpen]

No, it’s not a light decision. Preferable for Japan is to control China. But if it can’t be done it’s not the end of the world.

If Japan has to choose between China and atleast two of Hawaii, Calcutta and Sydney, I’d choose the latter without a blink.

I’d say the DEI are top priority in the early game and then China. They are parallell entities though.

[Amon-Sul]

Yeah the problem with more games at the same time its not just loosing focus, u almost had no tactical mistakes and oversights against me, but probable mixture of various games in ur had.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

No, it’s not a light decision. Preferable for Japan is to control China. But if it can’t be done it’s not the end of the world.

If Japan has to choose between China and atleast two of Hawaii, Calcutta and Sydney, I’d choose the latter without a blink.

I’d say the DEI are top priority in the early game and then China. They are parallell entities though.

Dei are the big four islands?

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

No, it’s not a light decision. Preferable for Japan is to control China. But if it can’t be done it’s not the end of the world.

If Japan has to choose between China and atleast two of Hawaii, Calcutta and Sydney, I’d choose the latter without a blink.

I’d say the DEI are top priority in the early game and then China. They are parallell entities though.

Its hard to take India, on sea only, but it can be done. There are ways, but with heavy, casualties

[trulpen]

Yes, it’s the money islands.

[Amon-Sul]

Sydney is a hard sheel. Its weird but Honolulu can most easily be taken and held for a rd

[trulpen]

Analysis trulpen vs Amon-Sul #1

Now I’ve looked through the game history quickly. I’ve started some analysis of dice, but am not sure I’ll finish that. I believe though that it can be shown how great impact a strong bias may have. It does however take a strong player to be able to take advantage of benifical occurrences.

As a general aspect I can say that I played all my nations rather slentrianic during the opening. I was not impressed by your opening moves, especially with Russia, and I realized pretty late what poison it could carry. Therefore I didn’t put much thought into my moves during the early game, but just did what I more or less usually do. Did not yet understand what a strong player you are. That’s a very dangerous attitude, and I’ve learned that lesson also from chess.

Europe

Germany was close to being able to sack Moscow already in G5. i should’ve probably focused on putting more pressure on Russia during G6-7, making a take-over a real threat. G early lost a lot more air than expected from bad dice (1 fig G1 and 3 fig, 2 tac G2 - of course expected to lose air in the G2-battle, but just not that many planes).

The loss of air made a big impact in EU with G having to replenish the luftwaffe, which in reality is a lot less land units being produced. G also lost focus by helping out the italian navy. Still more focus and pressure of Russia was possible and I believe that was the route G should’ve taken instead of dabbling in the ME and Med.

A big difference in our third game is that I prepare for a G3DOW there with the 2 inf, 6 art purchase. I believe that’s stronger in BM3 than the G1-purchase here of 1 ac, 2 mech, 1 tank. The idea is to G2DOW and being able to get a grip on E Poland immediately. It’s not necessary though, since G’s first step priority is to control Ukraine. Usually that is possible only in G4 anyway, whether G2- or G3DOW.

In OOB I really like the G1-purchase of Graf Zepp (ac) along with 2 mech and a tank. The idea is to strafe sz111 and secure the dmg Bismarck, while at the same time securing an intrusion into E Poland G2. Actually I think that a G3DOW should be better in OOB as well, because of the possibility of I2DOW, allowing Germany to enter into Russia without DOW if Italy takes either E Poland or Bessarabia.

I haven’t looked into it closely, but I think being occupied with Moscow and the ME and not really succeeding there, the allies were able to put very strong pressure and get control of several key positions on the western front. Especially Norway is a big blow for G.

Pacific

I definitely played J very much slentrian. I pursued a full expansion in China. The resources put into the west thinned out the power in the south. Also J was super-unlucky against C on many occasions, losing a lot more land units than what is expected. Eventually the japanese were overcome by the multinational pressure in the mainland, failing to get enough reinforcements into action. I’d say that especially here the dice made a huge difference regarding the situation around Anwhe and Yunnan.

I also think I tried too much to get a hold on FIC and Malaya.

The allied defense of Yunnan was super-strong, but so is J and it should be possible to atleast hold out defensively, keeping up the pressure. You definitely played very well with the allies in this area, creating threats and inconveniences.

When J fell through I believe the game was more or less over. Well played by you, but unfortunately under-achieving opposition on my part. The dice-bias was only part of it. I’d say you out-played me mainly through strategy and tactics.

In our third game I wasn’t sure that you’d go with the same strategy. I understand why you want to try it out. The element of surprise is gone and J focus much more on putting pressure on Yunnan, while controlling Kwangtung. Malaya and FIC are much less important and are second priority. As is Korea, despite the big annoyance of having a US stronghold there with support of a huge russian stack.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen

Yes, first of all i am playing the same strategy again, just to see how it works against an excellent player, but without elements of surprise.
On the other hand I now see in our third game, what could i improve (especially with Russia and in some way UK).

I also realize allies need a bigger bid.

As for Russia, i should buy more art , less inf, to put more pressure on Germany not to allow it to stack near Russia for as much possible. The tac and bomber purchase can be transformed into artillery and inf purchase, and i could send a little less units to yunnan, or to retreat them earlier, especially tanks

[Amon-Sul]

As for the axis, I think that Germany should take either Moscow, either Cairo, either Calcutta. Germany has made much threat to all of them, but taken none. It proved fatal.

Germany on the other hand bother the allies pretty much on the sea.

Italy was much weaker then in our 3rd game.

So, Ur (much) better position in 3rd game, then in game 1, is better and efficient German and Italian play, for Japan i do not see many differences, but for the European powers i definitely doo.

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

for Japan i do not see many differences

True, it’s basically the same opening, but with a few tweaks. Haven’t tried to reach west so much in China, but focused south. An early mIC in Kwangtung is a big difference. And like I said earlier not so much focus, but still a bit, on Malaya and FIC.

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

As for Russia, i should buy more art , less inf

I used to believe that, but actually after playing with axis-dominion (a game in progress) I’d say that the opposite is true.

He bought only inf the first 4 rounds. Only started to buy art in R8.

Very solid play. Then again he is a master. The exact purchases were so far:

1 - 12 inf,
2 - 12 inf
3 - 13 inf
4 - 11 inf, 2 mech
5 - 5 inf, 2 fig
6 - repair ab x4 (6 dmg by tac), 1 inf, 6 mech, 1 tank
7 - repair MIC x3 (lost 1 sb and only did 3 dmg in G6, very bad SBR indeed), 10 inf
8 - 3 inf, 5 art
9 - 7 art
10 - 9 inf
11 - 7 inf, 1 art
12 - 8 inf, 1 art
13 - 8 inf, 1 art
14 - 8 inf, 1 art