The simplified rules are a lot clearer. Thanks for those.
If I attack subs with a surface ship and 50 fighters, once that surface ship dies, is combat automatically over?
If I understand it right…
Detection ONLY matters for the first cycle of combat. After that cycle, disregard everything about detection.
So basically, the addition of detection is not a handicap for submarines, but a pure benefit.
Also about NAs… for NAs like Russian Winter, can you declare that as your NA, but not actually use it until a future turn?
@Rakeman:
The simplified rules are a lot clearer. Thanks for those.
If I attack subs with a surface ship and 50 fighters, once that surface ship dies, is combat automatically over?
No it does not automatically end. But why would defenseless subs stay in another round of combat and be subjected to the planes attack when they can submerge at the end of a round of combat?
@Rakeman:
If I understand it right…
Detection ONLY matters for the first cycle of combat. After that cycle, disregard everything about detection.
So basically, the addition of detection is not a handicap for submarines, but a pure benefit.
Yes, detection makes subs harder to kill as they basically need to be found to be killed (except with sub on sub)
@Rakeman:
Also about NAs… for NAs like Russian Winter, can you declare that as your NA, but not actually use it until a future turn?
The rules/nature of Russian winter allows such a delay. Reread the wording of the NA, it should be clear that you do not have to use it when it is declared as a Russian NA
FYI
You can delay your second NA choice if you would like to. You do pay a slight penalty as the additional capability that the NA offers would not take effect until the end of your turn.
For example, Germany does not choose their second NA on G2. G3 they decide to choose Wolf Packs. However, as a penalty for delaying the second NA choice till round 3 (or later), Germany an not attack with the subs at a “3” if they have more than 1 sub attacking on G3 (or the round the NA was taken).
Except sub on sub… huh?
Other than that, it’s pretty clear now. Thanks again!
@Rakeman:
Except sub on sub… huh?
well subs do shoot in opening fire, so if one sub attacks another sub, there is no detection (no DD involved), so then you go to opening fire and THEN you can dive (since you’ll be undetected). So this means subs can hunt subs.
I know some Enhanced players don’t like this (subs can kill subs), but it does indeed work well in the grand scheme of things, IMHO.
BTW, I would say I have played 120+ games of Enhanced.
@Rakeman:
Other than that, it’s pretty clear now. Thanks again!
You are Welcome!
good gaming!
Yea, that sub on sub thing still smacks as a method to make submarines too powerful in my, very most, humble opinion. I’m going to try to talk Mollari into play testing a few games where you have to find a submarine before you can attack it, even if you have submarines with you. (Likewise, enemy submarines then would be allowed to share sea zones with each other since neither could be attacked without a destroyer present.)
Think that might also make convoy raids harder.
As for NAs, there are times you may want to hold your NA selection. The allies might want to hold their 4th selection until they see what the Axis are doing, this might change the allied strategy from KGF to KJF in which case maybe the allies want Naval Industry instead of Radar. Likewise, the axis may want to hold on to an NA as well to see what the allies are doing, or how the dice are panning out. Maybe they don’t need Tokyo Express but could use jet fighters on the cheap so take Tech Advantage instead.
Is the game imbalanced if played with no NAs (so that it is easier to teach to a new player)?
No more so than regular AAR is without NAs.
6. D-Day Invasion as Standard
-Once during the game, at the start of UK’s turn, you may declare a D-Day Invasion, a combined attack of UK and US forces which occurs on the US turn. D-Day may only target WEur, and all attacking land and sea units MUST amphibious assault from SZ 7 (with the rare exception of land units already in Ger or SEur, which can attack WEur as per regular rules). Air units may come in from any territory provided they have enough movement points.
-On the UK turn, conduct Combat and NCM as normal for any units you do not anticipate participating in the D-Day invasion. Any units being used on UK’s turn, be it Combat or NCM, cannot be used on the US turn. Newly purchased UK units cannot be used either.
-On the US turn, the US player uses the remaining eligible UK units in his Combat and NCM together with his own units. US TRNs can transport UK land units and vice versa. Any UK units used MUST be involved in Combat, and in WEur ONLY. The only exception to this is loaded UK TRNs (and any UK land unit cargo) which can be involved in combat in SZ 7 as part of the amphibious assault. UK BBs and Combined-Arms DDs not used on UK’s turn can bombard WEur but only if SZ 7 was empty at the start of the US turn.
Can you, say, in the US turn after declaring D-Day, move infantry off of the UK and into transports, then amphibiously assault, or must they already be loaded? I ask because “all attacking land and sea units MUST amphibious assault from SZ 7” so I don’t know if that means they must already be in SZ7.
@Rakeman:
6. D-Day Invasion as Standard
-Once during the game, at the start of UK’s turn, you may declare a D-Day Invasion, a combined attack of UK and US forces which occurs on the US turn. D-Day may only target WEur, and all attacking land and sea units MUST amphibious assault from SZ 7 (with the rare exception of land units already in Ger or SEur, which can attack WEur as per regular rules). Air units may come in from any territory provided they have enough movement points.
-On the UK turn, conduct Combat and NCM as normal for any units you do not anticipate participating in the D-Day invasion. Any units being used on UK’s turn, be it Combat or NCM, cannot be used on the US turn. Newly purchased UK units cannot be used either.
-On the US turn, the US player uses the remaining eligible UK units in his Combat and NCM together with his own units. US TRNs can transport UK land units and vice versa. Any UK units used MUST be involved in Combat, and in WEur ONLY. The only exception to this is loaded UK TRNs (and any UK land unit cargo) which can be involved in combat in SZ 7 as part of the amphibious assault. UK BBs and Combined-Arms DDs not used on UK’s turn can bombard WEur but only if SZ 7 was empty at the start of the US turn.Can you, say, in the US turn after declaring D-Day, move infantry off of the UK and into transports, then amphibiously assault, or must they already be loaded? I ask because “all attacking land and sea units MUST amphibious assault from SZ 7” so I don’t know if that means they must already be in SZ7.
No, that means all units must unload from SZ7 into WEU.
UK units are like US units for D-Day. They can load on US’s turn.
Ok 2 more questions-
1. Must American units also amphibiously assault from only SZ7, or can they come from the south?
2. When using an NA like Pacific Divisions, can you place that free infantry in ADDITION to what you buy in that territory? For example, with an IC in Sinkiang, could you buy 2 free infantry and place a third free one?
@Rakeman:
1. Must American units also amphibiously assault from only SZ7, or can they come from the south?
and all attacking land and sea units MUST amphibious assault from SZ 7 (with the rare exception of land units already in Ger or SEur, which can attack WEur as per regular rules).
@Rakeman:
2. When using an NA like Pacific Divisions, can you place that free infantry in ADDITION to what you buy in that territory? For example, with an IC in Sinkiang, could you buy 2 free infantry and place a third free one?
yes, the extra inf does not count against the IC production capacity. The same principal occurs for the India complex and UK’s commonwealth NA or a Russian IC in Yakut and Siberian Conscripts
@Rakeman:
Ok 2 more questions-
1. Must American units also amphibiously assault from only SZ7, or can they come from the south?
@Rakeman:
6. D-Day Invasion as Standard
-Once during the game, at the start of UK’s turn, you may declare a D-Day Invasion, a combined attack of UK and US forces which occurs on the US turn. D-Day may only target WEur, and all attacking land and sea units MUST amphibious assault from SZ 7 (with the rare exception of land units already in Ger or SEur, which can attack WEur as per regular rules). Air units may come in from any territory provided they have enough movement points.@Rakeman:
2. When using an NA like Pacific Divisions, can you place that free infantry in ADDITION to what you buy in that territory? For example, with an IC in Sinkiang, could you buy 2 free infantry and place a third free one?
That is how I read it. “Extra” units like Conscripts, Commonwealth, Atlantic Wall and Pacific Divisions do not count towards a territory’s max build level.
I did have a question, however.
Let us pretend that Japan has a Submarine in SZ 37 and America builds an Industrial Complex in E. Indies. On the round that America builds the Industrial Complex, does America take the 2 convoy raid damage, or does that begin the round after the complex is built?
Just seems more fair to give America a chance to build the same round they start taking damage from submarines.
@Cmdr:
I did have a question, however.
Let us pretend that Japan has a Submarine in SZ 37 and America builds an Industrial Complex in E. Indies. On the round that America builds the Industrial Complex, does America take the 2 convoy raid damage, or does that begin the round after the complex is built?
Just seems more fair to give America a chance to build the same round they start taking damage from submarines.
@AARe:
-On the UK, US, and Japan Collect Income Phases, for every Enemy SUB within 1 SZ of (ie. directly adjacent to) an IC owned by that respective country, subtract 2IPC from their collected income. For every Enemy SUB within 2 SZ of an IC, subtract 1IPC.
Collect income is last. The letter of the rules says US pays a penalty for dropping the IC there, although they would know they intended on drop the IC in east indies and could do their best to sink the sub or cause it to dive if they wanted to avoid the Convoy Raid damage.
Okay, that’s what EM and I had surmised, but I thought it best to get some clarification before AAMC’s AARe tournament which should be starting soon.
Is there any reason to NOT pick Radar for the UK advantage? It is absolutely brutal. 5 IPC unit, 8 IPC for techs, and a permanent bonus to anti-aircraft utilities. That’s a 13 IPC worth alone, compare that to Royal Navy which gives you 10 IPC and no killer bonuses.
@Rakeman:
Is there any reason to NOT pick Radar for the UK advantage? It is absolutely brutal. 5 IPC unit, 8 IPC for techs, and a permanent bonus to anti-aircraft utilities. That’s a 13 IPC worth alone, compare that to Royal Navy which gives you 10 IPC and no killer bonuses.
Well for one thing, you can not pick NA’s only based on their IPC cost/savings. If you did, you’d always pick the extra inf NAs (siberian conscripts, Atlantic wall, common wealth, pacific divisions). In a typical Enhanced game of 10-12 rounds, these are worth $30-36 IPCs.
I know, it just appears that Radar gives you a powerful advantage PLUS free units/tech rolls. Most techs give you an advantage, units, or tech rolls. Of course, you know more than I do about Enhanced so if you say the NAs are balanced, I’ll take your word for it until play experience shows otherwise… 8-)
@Rakeman:
I know, it just appears that Radar gives you a powerful advantage PLUS free units/tech rolls. Most techs give you an advantage, units, or tech rolls. Of course, you know more than I do about Enhanced so if you say the NAs are balanced, I’ll take your word for it until play experience shows otherwise… 8-)
Radar is a commonly taken UK NA, part of the reason is because it’s a multi-use NA.
It can be helpful in more than one way: Tech dollars can be for jet power (helpful for the defense-needing allies) or combined arms (offshores baby!) or super subs…(no so much). Adding the aaa gun capability to the UK BB’s can be a huge factor in battle for the atlantic.
An extra AA gun is a bonus, not such a key component of the NA. Can be useful in an Australian IC.
did I fail to mention the ability to shoot down planes @ 2!
Remember there are other very powerful UK NA’s too that must ‘balance’ to Radar:
Commonwealth
Royal Navy
Royal Air Force
Colonial Garrison
One I don’t see too much is UK Lend-Lease.
Did the rules change? My handbook says the 8 IPC for Radar can only be applied to Combined Arms or Jet Fighters. Honestly, I only take Radar because it makes attacking the English navy too costly for Germany.
@Cmdr:
Did the rules change? My handbook says the 8 IPC for Radar can only be applied to Combined Arms or Jet Fighters. Honestly, I only take Radar because it makes attacking the English navy too costly for Germany.
My mistake. Only Jets or Combined Arms… not super subs too.
